It was late and I may have over simplifying a little to be brief. One query page on the stats with the ability to select all the different combinations currently in the database could probably provide most of what you are taking about. We can all argue about the details when/if we get everything else done that needs doing first. The primary focus of the current HOF is Fastest Finish. We chose that as our focus. I understand your point of view. As you say we have a difference of opinion. Can we just agree to disagree for now? As my parting shot, let me point out something that I believe shows want I have been trying to verbalize. I think that the highest score in the HOF (Main & all Beta) is a Chieftan game that is ~50k higher than the best Deity Score. (The same player's best game in the germinate (Main) HOF is only ~25K higher...) He has a thread about it. Civ4 can be milked. Both the Deity and Chieftain games are impressive in their own way. Both take a skill and determination. The Deity game, which was a 290BC Domination victory on a Huge map, is unarguably the more difficult to achieve of the two. I and most players probably stand absolutely no chance of ever winning a Huge Deity Domination game. Most of us could probably replicate the Chieftain score if we wanted to milk a game that much.