Discussion in 'Civ4 Strategy Articles' started by Sullla, Oct 25, 2005.
Your walkthroughs a great read, Sulla. Pity about the forbidden error thingy.
Phew, am I glad! Don't get me wrong: it's a pity, you have trouble with your provider, but when I tried to check out the last two parts of your walkthrough I thought my employer finally catched me surfing the civ-sites all the time and blocked them for me ... ****, I'm getting paranoid!
(great read, your walkthrough!!! helps me alot getting behind things! )
One question while we are waiting (hopefully this hasn't been forwarded yet):
You mention you don't care THAT much what kind of Great person is showing up... Does this mean, specialization of cities is not THAT much of an issue?
In my current game I use different specialists in order to raise Great People, but try to keep the chance for Great Engineers high by giving them a headstart (had a wonder where I got a free specialist/engineer in every city...). Good strategy or crap??
And secondly one thing I don't know, but am I'm right assuming that the amount of Great People-Points needed to get a Great-Person isn't measured City by city but civ by civ, correct? Or is it even worse and it's measured by the no. of Great People born on Earth!? (In that case I screwed up....)
Thanks in advance for enlighten me!
thanks for answering thequestions Sullla
any chance you'll do a walk through on emperor level so we can watch the ai whup on you?
Anyone who hasn't looked at it yet, try unzipping this into the folder with the images. It should look nicer.
Many thanks, Khaim... I got the pics but wasn't able to download the .doc earlier and I'm keen to read the final part. It's also a lot easier on my poor old eyes than the original white text on black!
Off to read it now...
Thanks for the info.
For those who have not tried this tip - you get the text and pictures together. Just ignore the htlm bits and pieces.
Good job - Nomad_Wanderer
I put Part 7 into a single, self-contained PDF and can do the same with the whole enchilada if Sulla wants to send me everything. I can't host it but I'll gladly put it all into neat PDFs and send it to someone with some hosting resources.
Update: Not surprisingly, the Walkthrough generated enough traffic to kill off my webshost's bandwidth, and so it had to come down. (Over 100GB of traffic in a week! You guys are monsters! ) Sirp has been a saint to put up with it for most of the past week.
I've had several offers of web hosting today (you guys are ALSO really kind! ) and I'm in the process of hearing back from some of them. Once I have a new site, I'll do my best to get the Walkthrough up and running again. So it may be a few days, but things should be up and running again at some point soon.
I may have cheated in giving myself a great nine-city starting position, but I didn't mess with buildings.
Could it be related to map size? I was playing on huge. And someone else was presumably playing on a smaller-than-normal size when they went for a six-city cultural victory, since they got a cathedral for every two temples.
Thanks Sullla for your time!
Thanks to all the others helping Sullla!
Great read, but I came across something that got me thinking.
You won by Diplomatic victory, and noted that in Civ4 it now bases votes on population, so that given a little more time you could simply have voted yourself into the win. How, exactly, is this different than a Domination win, then? It's still the same basic effect; conquer as much as you can, and you can't lose. Only the percentages vary.
One of the things I liked about Civ3's one-civ-one-vote system was that if you went on a conquering spree as you approached the modern era, the other civs would all vote against you unless you took them all the way out. But in Civ4, it looks like once you get to 50%ish of the votes, it's impossible to lose at diplomacy. Because of this, I'd actually prefer Civ3's setup.
Or is this just me?
That looks like you need 2/3rds of the world population to back you. If you've got 2/3rds of the world's population in your borders, you should've really won a domination victory by now ; )
It's not so much sullas civ4 walkthrough i'm missing ( excellent though that is), but his civ3 chronicles It's phenomenally inspiring stuff!. It's how civ should be played. Like reading through pages of history.
I tend to play disjointedly not really knowing what the hell i'm doing or researching. This has been a real eye opener. Just hope the site gets back up soon
Sulla, thanks for your walk through.
It made me order my civ4 copy now instead of Xmas as originally planned.
Hopefully your site will be up again soon. This walkthrough is worth reading again when I actually have the game. Can't imagine a better introduction.
Great tip, works like a charm and makes reading from the zip as easy as using the web site. Thanks a lot.
Thanks for the walthrough, it's been great. I live in Australia and it comes out in a few days. Can't wait to get it and start playing!!!
BTW this is my first post. I've been browsing civfanatics for years now, but only recently have decided to be a member
It goes both directions; anyone who wins the Domination victory in the Modern era could have, by definition, won a Diplomatic victory more easily. After all, which is easier: 66.7% entirely by yourself, or 60% once your allies are added in? The only way there'd be a discrepancy would be if your cities were so much larger than everyone else's that you didn't take up much land, or if you would have won Domination before the U.N. was built.
But the real point was, playstyles. With this change, the only consistent way to win Diplomatic would be to follow the same playstyle used for Domination or Conquest wins. You can no longer be that minor power that's managed to assemble a voting bloc against the warmonger; you now have to be that warmonger. (Especially true in multiplayer, since no one will vote FOR you there, but then again, that would be true of the Civ3 system too.)
Thank you, Sulla!!!! Super job!!!!
Just 4 days left to get the game and I can't wait!!!!!!
Thanks for the writeup, it's great!!
If it's a static file (ie no PHP, ASP, whatever) I could offer you some webspace for it (also contacted you by PM).
Sullla...I'm sorry, but I missed Parts 5-7...is there a way I could get 5&6 as well? Or do you think the site will be up soon? Great job by the way!
Hi there..ı cannt still get the avesome walktrough..please helpme about it
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