Sulla's site?

[Master Shake]

Earlier today I found a link to the site of someone named Sulla which had lots of good info on C3C. Now I've misplaced the link. Can someone point me to it?

-mS

 

[Puppeteer]

I think I saw this link in the screenshots thread. But I bookmarked it so I wouldn't have to remember.

-- Link Deleted -- It was never meant to be shown in the first place.

 

[Rob (R8XFT)]

Thanks for making me aware of this site! It's full of info on C3C.

 

[Jaybe]

Yes, Sulla's site has all sorts of interesting stuff about the C3C BETA.
The subject of a Non-Disclosure Agreement he had signed which did not expire when the game was released.

At the Apolyton chat Tuesday, Firaxis/BreakAway/Atari people made it a point to not respond to any comments regarding Sulla's actions, nor did they respond to Sulla when he joined the chat. Probably for legal reasons.

 

[necrolyte]

Why would it MATTER if the game is out anyways?

 

[Bamspeedy]

Because there was things in the beta that did not make it in the final game. Testing procedures, business practices/trade secrets, etc. is not to be talked about by beta testers to people other than the beta test team and the companies involved. Specific details about the beta testing was not to be talked about to others. This was all in the NDA agreement. Screenshots, etc. from the beta test was not supposed to be posted by testers.
There are several other reasons, like confusion being caused from people reading that site and thinking everything in there made it in the final version (which has already happened).

I'm sure it was an honest mistake on his part, so I won't say anything more on the subject.

 

[troytheface]

Interesting and looks like it took him alot of time and effort. However, the rant against plagues was a bit much. Sounds like luck and random are not his forte', but to me-life is full of both-
and while one may be upset when one's "plans" are thwarted by a plague-to me it would make the game more interesting- control freaks will have a hard time with it i am sure- but free spirits will enjoy it

 

[Mazarin]

sullla's site certainly is the most informative scource of information about c3c I've seen so far. I'd have bought the game anyway, but with his articles are the best advertisment from my pow because they show that breakaway listened to really experienced players when balancing the game

 

[Civrules]

Here is what Gobi said about the rules:

Here is a quick rule of thumb for beta testers. I'm copying from Jeff Foley's comments today in our online chat sponsored by Apolyton.

To paraphrase Jeff:

"Discuss what is IN THE GAME, not what was IN THE BETA TEST."

Once the game is truly out in the community (probably by the end of the week), features in the game will be out in the arena of common public knowledge and can be discussed freely. They can then no longer be considered Confidential Information in any form. This is the 'discuss what is IN THE GAME' part of things.

However, if you read the NDA carefully, knowledge of business methods is part of the Confidential Information covered by the NDA. I would rule that knowledge of how the beta test was conducted or what happened in it falls into this category. Since this will never become public knowledge, it is not open to disclosure. This is the '... not what was IN THE BETA TEST' side of things.

Sulla's site obviously crosses this line. Whether Atari, Firaxis, or BreakAway will act on it is unknown right now. But it will at least jeopardize his inclusion in future tests. Which is a damn shame .... he WAS one of our best contributors, no doubt.

Too bad for Sulla's site though.

 

[Chieftess]

Originally posted by Bamspeedy
Because there was things in the beta that did not make it in the final game. Testing procedures, business practices/trade secrets, etc. is not to be talked about by beta testers to people other than the beta test team and the companies involved. Specific details about the beta testing was not to be talked about to others. This was all in the NDA agreement. Screenshots, etc. from the beta test was not supposed to be posted by testers.
There are several other reasons, like confusion being caused from people reading that site and thinking everything in there made it in the final version (which has already happened).

I'm sure it was an honest mistake on his part, so I won't say anything more on the subject.

And if you were at the Apolyton Chat all day yesterday, you would have seen that happen. That's when I found out it's been leaked all over the place.

BTW, threads directed to users aren't allowed, even if someone did break the rules. I'll have to close this thread, and remove the link.