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Discussion in 'Arts & Entertainment' started by EgonSpengler, Mar 10, 2015.

  1. EgonSpengler

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    Masters of the Universe: Revelation -



     
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    I watched He-Man as a small boy, but I don't have nostalgia for it. Presumably this will be a more mature series?
     
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    First episode of Loki was a'ight. A stronger opening than the previous two Marvel shows, but a less compelling premise. We'll see how it develops.
     
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    Superman & Lois. I don't know why Lois' father didn't just say that the Kryptonite weapons were because of the risk of other Kryptonians coming to Earth - which has happened in the CW-verse twice, I think - and the possibility that Earth's most powerful heroes wouldn't be enough. You have Superman, Supergirl, The Flash, and the Martian Manhunter. If, like, twelve Kryptonians showed up, the whole planet would be pretty much f'd.

    Also, I'm taking a wait-and-see attitude to the big reveal at the end of S&L episode 9. At first blush, it feels like something we've seen before a lot, so by itself, the reveal didn't get much of a rise out of me.

    Jameela Jamil will be playing Titania in She-Hulk. I am 100% here for this show. Of course I was in the bag anyway, but this sounds even more awesome now. I hope this means the show will be a comedy, or at least comedic. I loathed Jamil's character on The Good Place at first, but she won me over pretty quickly.

    Aquaman: The Lost Kingdom. No idea what it will be about, other than what you could guess from the title. I don't really remember much about the first movie, but I definitely remember enjoying it while I was watching it.

    I read somewhere that Stargirl is getting a second season this Summer. I'd completely forgotten about that show. :lol: Like Aquaman, I think I enjoyed it while I was watching it, so I'll probably give it another go. I think I read that season 2 will feature the Golden Age Justice Society, who I was a fan of when I was a kid. Hawkman is going to be in Black Adam, and the Golden Age Green Lantern is going to be in the Green Lantern series, so I'm guessing we probably won't see them in Stargirl. But Doctor Fate, the Golden Age Sandman, Starman, Thunderbolt, Power Girl, the Huntress? It would be fun to see any of them.

    Jupiter's Legacy got canceled, despite leading all streaming shows for the middle of May with a billion minutes streamed on only 8 episodes. I think this bodes ill for streaming series writ large. Obviously that show's budget has got to be way higher than a GLOW or a Mindhunter, but if a show can't get renewed with that kind of success... Anyway, I was cutting Jupiter's Legacy a lot of slack for leaving questions unanswered and stories unresolved because I was assuming it was always intending to come back with a second season. Now that it's one-and-done, I think I'm forced to lower my evaluation of it. Oh, well.

    Deadline, 10 June 2021 - "‘Jupiter’s Legacy’ Shines Before Revamp News, Topping Nielsen U.S. Streaming Chart"

    WandaVision is also not getting a second season, but I think we sorta knew that already, didn't we? Wanda looks likely to be a big part of Doctor Strange 2, and possibly of the whole Phase 4. (There was a popular theory that WandaVision was going to be the MCU adaptation of House of M, which didn't turn out to be the case. But the series didn't eliminate the possibility, either. I'm just talking out of my [nose] here, but I think it's possible the whole Phase 4 could be the MCU's adaptation of House of M and Wanda could be The Big Bad.)


    I never watched Master of the Universe when I was a kid, but I listen to Kevin Smith's podcast some weeks, and from the sound of it, yes, he's trying to make it something that adults can watch too. It doesn't sound like he's going all "grim n' gritty" (probably just as well :lol: ), but I think he wanted it to be more than just a continuation of the '80s Saturday morning cartoon.
     
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    Who? I must have missed that.
    I'd put it in the middle, better opener than Wandavision but no way it beats the TFATWS opening, that episode was mind-blowing.
    No effing way :shake: Why??? :cry:
     
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    Apparently, it didn't do as well as was hoped. It's being replaced by another series set in the same Millarworld that'll focus on the supervillains - titled Supercrooks.
     
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    It did amazing viewer numbers, but it ran way over budget. I think the critical reviews were 'meh', but I doubt Netflix cares about critical reviews.

    The Hollywood Reporter, 11 June 2021 - "‘Jupiter’s Legacy’: Battles Over Budgets, Executive Purge Factor in Cancellation"
    The article also notes that original showrunner Steven DeKnight (who also did the first season of Daredevil for Netflix, incidentally) left halfway through filming over 'creative differences' and budget demands, and the Netflix VP who greenlit the show had left, so two of the series' biggest boosters were gone.
     
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    I totally failed to notice that the Agent was played by Owen Wilson. ;)
     
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    I didn't really pay attention to casting news before watching it, so I didn't expect to see Wunmi Mosaku or Sasha Lane.

    Was it the mustache?
     
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    Grogan???:confused:
    I wasn't really surprised about anything in the episode except:
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    How powerful the Timecops (Time Variance Authority) are. The fact that they use the multiple infinity stones that they collect (ostensibly as contraband during their policing efforts) as paperweights and junk-drawer fodder was pretty astonishing. I mean they are essentially ultra-gods in that sense, even higher than the many "gods" we've already seen depicted in the MCU timeline-proper. The whole premise of the show seems to be borrowing heavily from Star Trek, TNG, VOY and ENT in particular with the TVA essentially being Q-like beings from TNG, occupying the role of the Temporal Police in VOY, fighting an ENT style Temporal Cold War. Something that struck me as particularly Q-like about the TVA was that everything about their realm impliedly and necessarily has to be an illusion, essentially a perception crafted to conform to the expectations and understanding of the Variants imprisoned there.

    For example, obviously beings of that level of power would not need to store their recordings on old-timey, reel-to-reel film. So that means that the medium in which Loki is viewing the recordings is essentially a dumbed-down version, rendered in a form that he can perceive and/or understand. At one point, talking to himself about his surroundings, Loki actually wonders aloud explicitly "This has to be an illusion."
    It reminds me of the VOY Episode "Death Wish" when there is a Q (named Quinn for the purposes of distinguishing him from the main Q character) who, as part of his trial, brings the crew to visit the Q Continuum, which appears to be a small run down shack on a dusty desert road, occupied by a few silent people who do not speak or acknowledge anyone. Quinn explains that this is simply an illusion, an interpretation of the Continuum rendered in terms that their minds can actually comprehend and perceive in some meaningful sense. There is an interesting point that Quinn raises, that the reason nobody talks is because they have already discussed everything in existence ad nauseum, and there is literally nothing left to say.

    As an aside, sometimes things here at CFC are like that. There are some issues/arguments that we have had, so many times with each other, with the same people making the same points over and over, and getting into the same fights with the same people over the same issues, over and over, that I sometimes don't even care to read the arguments anymore. Obviously we would never get to the point that the Q got to where there had been trillions of years of discussion and there was literally nothing else to talk about, but I can at least understand where he was coming from.
     
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    Loki talk, episodes 1 & 2.
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    I assume the writers wanted to neuter Loki while he's in the TVA itself, so that he couldn't just use his powers on Mobius and the Minutemen. They wanted those people to just be people, and yet also have Loki at their mercy. I guess.

    The Time-Keepers themselves must be incredibly powerful, as you say, if they really did 'create' all of the people who work for the TVA. Remember that guy didn't know what a fish was. And Mobius keeps insisting the Timer-Keepers 'made' him. So the people who work for the TVA aren't recruits, or variants who were put to work rather than be pruned, they're spawned or grown or something.

    As for the Infinity Stones, I don't really know why the writers put that in there. I'm hoping it's tied to something we'll learn more about later.

    I heard or read somewhere that, in the comics, Infinity Stones only work within their native dimension, and are inert if you take them into another dimension. One problem with that is that the terms "dimension" and "timeline" seem to have been used interchangeably in the MCU so far, and we've already seen Infinity Stones taken from the past to the present, which - according to The Ancient One's convo with Bruce on her roof - created an alternate timeline. That's how we got the variant Loki who's the star of Loki. Someone on a podcast I was listening to wondered if "alternate dimensions" and "alternative timelines" aren't in fact the same thing, and maybe you can have alternative timelines within each dimension. Argh. I just rolled my eyes and shut off the podcast. I don't even wanna go there.

    So I'm just trying not to think about it too hard, for the time being, and just rolling with it. If they haven't made this stuff any clearer by the end of this series, then I guess I'll have to start getting annoyed..?

    Anyway, I love the design of the TVA. I reminds me a lot of Gilliam's Brazil.
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    The librarian sitting in the cubicle that was barely wider than her shoulders made me laugh out loud.


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    Actually, wait, now that I'm thinking about it, have they actually used the term "alternate dimension" yet? There's the 'Quantum Realm', and Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness introduces a new term, 'multiverse.' When Strange was examining his 14,000,000 possible outcomes of the fight with Thanos, I can't remember how he phrased it, but now that I think about it, I don't think he said "dimensions."
     
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    IndieWire says that early reactions to Black Widow are very positive.

     
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    Possibly, yes, but it might also be that I didn't expect him to be so obviously middle-aged.
     
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    Seems like Bottle Rocket was just yesterday.

    Well, okay, maybe the day before yesterday.

    Luke Wilson and Amy Smart play the parents of a teenager in Stargirl. That's kinda weird, too. I remember Kevin Smith talking about Stargirl and looking at the cast list - "Amy Smart is playing somebody's mom?! Amy Smart isn't old enough to play somebody's mom! Oh... wait... maybe she is..." :lol:

    Speaking of, I just put a few '90 indie movies into my streaming queues, things I remember loving but haven't seen in a while, and Bottle Rocket was one of them. Haven't gotten to it yet, though.
     
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    I'm old enough to have teenage children, so she certainly is. :)
     
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    I watched the trailer for Stargirl season 2. It looks like they're introducing Jade, the daughter of the Golden Age Green Lantern. That's kinda cool. I remember her from Infinity, Inc. which was kind of like the Teen Titans for the Justice Society characters, instead of the Justice League characters.

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    If you've watched season 1 of Stargirl, the guy flying in the blue outfit is The Star-Spangled Kid, who later became the 2nd Starman, Courtney/Stargirl's father. The guy on the lower right in the red and blue costume is Brainwave Jr.

    Infinity, Inc. also featured the daughter of Earth-2's Diana Prince and Steve Trevor, but she's not shown in this pic. Back in the day, Earth-2 was the home of the older, "Golden Age" versions of the characters (the Justice Society), while "Earth-1" was the home of the contemporary, Silver & Modern Age versions of the characters (the Justice League). That was in the '80s, though. I have no idea where things stand today. I think the comics reboots all of these characters every so often. iirc, Power Girl was the Earth-2 version of Supergirl/Kara Zor-El, and the original Huntress was the daughter of Earth-2's Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle.

    If you want to know whose fault all of this "multiverse" nonsense is, at least in superhero stories, it's because of DC Comics. I think it started with the famous "Flash of Two Worlds" story in 1961, but then they really hit overdrive in the '70s when they revived the Justice Society and bought the rights to the old Charlton Comics heroes (Blue Beetle; The Question; Captain Atom; Peacemaker, who John Cena will be playing in The Suicide Squad this Summer - it was the Charlton Comics characters that Alan Moore wanted to use for Watchmen in '84, but the publishers wouldn't let him, because they wanted to bring many of those characters into the mainstream DC universe, so he invented analogues for the characters; Blue Beetle became Nite Owl, Captain Atom became Doctor Manhattan, Peacemaker became The Comedian, The Question became Rorschach, Nightshade became Silk Spectre, Thunderbolt became Ozymandias). By the '80s, the DC Comics multiverse got so out of control the writers couldn't handle it anymore, so they did Crisis on Infinite Earths to destroy a bunch of the alternate worlds and mash a bunch of the characters back into one, in-canon universe.

    Like I say, though, I think all of this has been rebooted and ret-conned and rewritten several times since then. Obviously they didn't learn their lesson. :lol:

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    New The Suicide Squad trailer dropped yesterday. Not really my kind of movie, but I guess it could be fun. I do like Margot Robbie's Harley Quinn, though, and I'll watch just about anything with Idris Elba in it.

     
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    I never saw Suicide Squad (2016), but The Suicide Squad (2021) seems to be a completely different kettle of fish, and it looks like it's right up James Gunn's alley. He wrote & directed Slither (2006) and of course Guardians of the Galaxy (2014). He also wrote or co-wrote Thir13een Ghosts (2001) and Dawn of the Dead (2004). I think using Starro as the villain is potential comedy gold, and definitely reminds me of Slither. And of course The Suicide Squad bears some general resemblance to his version of Guardians of the Galaxy. I'll probably wait and see what the early reviews say, if only because I know that trailers don't mean anything, good or bad, but right now I'm leaning towards seeing it.

    I can't really remember now why I skipped the 2016 movie. Of course we know now that the whole production and the end result was a trainwreck. The trailers were excellent, but something warned me off. Bad reviews, maybe? I can't remember. That film had some epic production issues, but I can't remember if those stories came out before or after it bombed. The trailers made me think it was going to portray the 'villains' as people who'd kind of drawn the short straw in life, whether it was mental illness, physical deformity, destructive super-powers they couldn't control, or actual demonic possession. iirc, at least one of the trailers seemed to imply that Harley Quinn was a victim of an abusive relationship and literal torture. In retrospect, I probably should've been more skeptical about David Ayer handling material like that. His films before that were all very masculine action-thrillers that weren't renowned for nuance and complex characters. He'd written U-571, The Fast & The Furious, Training Day and SWAT, and had written and directed End of Watch, all of which were pretty decent, provided you know what you're getting yourself into (he also wrote & directed Fury, which I've heard was decent, and Bright, which I did see but it was very mediocre). So I should have noticed that the trailers didn't look like an Ayer movie, but like I say, that wasn't why I avoided Suicide Squad at the time.
     
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