Discussion in 'Arts & Entertainment' started by EgonSpengler, Mar 10, 2015.
LOL Syn. You don't like it, huh?
Spoiler Episode 2 :
It's a wonder how someone could dislike T'Challa Starlord using hugs to rehabilitate Thanos, and everyone just obnoxiously simping over the dude. It's a 12-year-old's fanfic. All it needed to complete the fandom checklist was T'Challa making out with Dairy-Queen Peter Quill.
Really, I've found that this series is just belittling the character it's meant to be building up. Carter was turned into a joke. Same with T'Challa.
I know you have your reasons but you know what I mean
Always a pleasure being dismissed and mocked by you.
Jeez Louise. I was joking with you for crissakes.
FWIW I read your thoughts in the spoiler and understand your point. Also, to be fair, as I referenced I'm kind of half watching these cartoons while making/serving my kids dinner so they are not being subjected to any deep analysis on my part. I actually missed the part about Quill entirely and had to ask my son about it today.
Quill was a footnote at the very end.
Ego coming to Earth, which is implied to be the big consequence of T'Challa being abducted instead.
I'm just salty today. Sorry.
Definitely one for the "trailers always spoil" category.
Not a very memorable trailer, on its own merits, but of course I'm looking forward to the movie. There seems to be so many different things going on in this trailer, that I suspect they can't all be critical elements. I wonder, for example, if Doc Ock and the Green Goblin will turn out to be hardly more than cameos. Someone on a podcast observed that Doctor Strange is behaving so oddly in this trailer that maybe the Strange we see here isn't the Strange of 'our' world and is actually a variant.
I wonder (and hoping, kinda) that a lot of this trailer is a misdirect.
I had to stop myself within the first five seconds because I knew it was probably going to spoil something for me. I'm enforcing selective blindness as I scroll through tweets and posts too.
Release date is a shame. Not sure I can get down to Seattle when it comes out.
According to my aetherscope, Danai Gurira, Letitia Wright, and Dominique 'Riri Williams' Thorn were spotted on the campus of a certain Institute of Technology down the road from me yesterday.
Third episode of What If...? was fantastic!
The last two Spidey flicks were kinda lightweight, this upcoming one looks heavy.
The Cannon Spider-Man movie that never was -
Deadline says the trailer for Spider-Man: No Way Home got ~355,500,000 views in its first 24 hours, breaking Endgame's record of ~289,000,000 (and more than doubling Far From Home, which got ~135,000,000 views in its first 24 hours). I don't know if there's any correlation between the reception a trailer gets and the subsequent opening weekend box office, but of course with the pandemic, there's no telling. I also wonder how many people might be seeking out trailers online, because they have no intention of going to the theater any time soon, and won't see be seeing trailers the traditional way, before a movie. Still, 355m views in 1 day.
What If..? ep. 3
So in this universe,
There's no Ant-Man or Wasp, no Ultron, and no Vision.
Age of Ultron and Civil War don't happen.
You would likely still have many of the events of The Winter Soldier, just not in that precise way. Steve could still meet Sam and run into Bucky down the road. HYDRA could still take over SHIELD, and the Helicarriers would be largely destroyed.
Peter Quill is long since kidnapped; Peter Parker can still be bitten by a radioactive spider; and Stephen Strange can still get into his car accident.
The Netflix series would be largely unchanged. The characters would all be the same. Without the Chitauri invasion of New York, the backdrop of the conflict between Wilson Fisk and Matt Murdock has a slightly different shape, but that's all.
The events of Agents of SHIELD, otoh, are almost entirely out the window.
Hela could still be freed.
Valkyrie lives out her days as a drunken bounty hunter on Sakaar, and Korg eventually gets killed in the arena by some new champion.
Thanos is still out there. After the Avengers defeat Loki and free Earth from Asgard's tyranny, Infinity War would still happen, albeit with some changes.
So who do you think now comprises the initial team of Avengers? You start with Steve Rogers and Carol Danvers.
Here's what I'm thinkin':
In my version,
I think Loki has to have done something to or with Odin in order to lead the entire Asgardian army to conquer Midguard.
After the Asgardians wipe out the SHIELD helicarriers, I think Alexander Pearce sees which way the wind is blowing and activates the HYDRA takeover of SHIELD a little early. He strikes a deal with Loki, and SHIELD essentially becomes Loki's Gestapo. Shades of Lex Luthor in Superman II, conniving to side with General Zod. This also puts Steve back on a collision course with Bucky, who at this point is still The Winter Soldier.
Heimdall and Sif are part of the anti-Loki resistance. Heimdall can't leave Asgard without Loki noticing, but he sends Sif to Fury and Coulson. At some point, Loki is going to demand that Heimdall find Fury and Capt. America and Sif, so he can kill the first two and bring the third back to Asgard for a rigged trial.
Loki doesn't know about Wakanda. Heimdall is the only Asgardian who knows about Wakanda, and he directs Fury to find it.
Betty Ross, Jemma Simmons, Leo Fitz and a teenaged Shuri are all in supporting roles, mainly for the tech and science stuff that we're missing without Tony and Bruce.
At some point, maybe in the 2nd movie, you have a huge fight at an empty airport between the Avengers and Loki who has The Destroyer and a team of HYDRA supervillains, The Winter Soldier, Brock "Crossbones" Rumlow, and Wanda and Pietro Maximoff. She's weird. He's fast.
Now that I'm thinking about it, Shuri could create a version of Ultron. A gifted-but-reckless teenager creates a weapon to prevent another invasion of Earth. This would be a weird Ultron, though.
But here's the upshot of this episode, as I see it: In this universe, there's nobody to come up with the idea of traveling through the Quantum Realm using Pym Particles to go back in time, to reverse Thanos' snap of the Infinity Gauntlet. The events of Infinity War are almost unchanged, but nothing that happened in Endgame can happen, and Thanos' snap is permanent.
Question for Egon:
So, that's War Machine, Sif, Black Panther and who's the fourth?
It's Melinda May from Agents of SHIELD, played by Ming Na Wen. I don't think she's from the comics, I think she was invented specifically for the show. She's a SHIELD field agent (a "Specialist", in the MCU lingo). She was Phil Coulson's partner before the events of Avengers. After he was revived by Project TAHITI (it's a magical place), he recruited her into his new team. Where Clint and Natasha are the 'S-Tier' SHIELD agents, Melinda is 'A-Tier.' If you've seen The Falcon & The Winter Soldier, Melinda May would be with Sharon Carter on the SHIELD depth chart. She's older than those three, a contemporary of Fury & Coulson, and was the premier Specialist in her day. If Fury had activated the Avengers Initiative after 9/11, May would've been in Natasha's slot.
If you're familiar with the comics, Bobbi Morse - aka Mockingbird - was also in Agents of SHIELD. Played by Adrianne Palicki. She's on that 'A-Tier' also. I thought about Sharon Carter or Mockingbird for my version of the alternate Avengers, in part because they're both from the comics and Melinda isn't, but I like Melinda better and she has the close connection to Coulson. There's another 'A-tier' Specialist in Agents of SHIELD named Grant Ward, but I think he was also invented for the show and isn't from the comics.
I also thought about Luke Cage. The timing is a close shave, but I can't remember if the flashback episode of his show that gave us his 'origin story' was specific about when it happened. The first season of Jessica Jones was 2015, so if you work backwards from there, I think it's plausible that Luke might have had his powers and Fury might have known about him. Captain America: The Winter Soldier was in 2014, and I think it's totally plausible that Luke could have been on the Project Insight list of names by then. 2012 is maybe cutting it close, but still possible.
Oh, p.s. In my alternate-universe fantasy, Rhodey is still played by Terrence Howard. I don't know why he left the role, irl, but screw it, it's my fantasy.
Why? Why?! WHY?!? I wanna hear! I only saw part of it while making the kids dinner. It was really sad, at least the parts I saw.
Separate names with a comma.