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Superheroes!

Discussion in 'Arts & Entertainment' started by EgonSpengler, Mar 10, 2015.

  1. Clubber Lang

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    Hollywood Reporter 50 Greatest Superhero Movie Performances of All Time:

    Spoiler 50 :
    50. Judge Dredd (Karl Urban
    49. Rorschach (Jackie Earl Haley)
    48. Groot (Dom Toretto)
    47. Evey Hammond (Natalie Portman)
    46. Gamora (Zoe Saldana)
    45. Doc Ock (Alfred Molina)
    44. Harley Quinn (Margot Robbie)
    43. Black Panther (Chadwick Boseman)
    42. Mystique (Jennifer Lawrence)
    41. Spider-Man (Andrew Garfield)
    40. Nightcrawler (Alan Cumming)
    39. Wonder Woman (Gal Gadot)
    38. Aunt May (Rosemary Harris)
    37. Mr. Glass (Samuel L. Jackson)
    36. Hit Girl (Chloe Grace Moretz)
    35. Storm (Halle Berry)
    34. Hellboy (Ron Perlman)
    33. Black Widow (Scarlett Johansson)
    32. Blade (Wesley Snipes)
    31. Jean Grey (Fame Jansen)
    30. Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman)
    29. Hulk (Mark Ruffalo)
    28. Nick Fury (Sam L)
    27. Thor (Chris Hemsworth)
    26. Zod (Terrence Stamp)
    25. Rogue (Anna Paquin)
    24. The Crow (Brandon Lee)
    23. Prox X. (James McAvoy)
    22. Batman (Bale)
    21. Peggy Carter (Hayley Atwell)
    20. Alfred (My Cocaine)
    19. J Jonah Jameson (Jk)
    18. Magneto (Fassbender)
    17. X-23
    16. Loki (Hiddleston)
    15. Star Lord (Pratt)
    14. Deadpool (Reynolds wrap)
    13. Cap (Chris Evans)
    12. Lois Lane (Margot Kidder)
    11. Magneto (Sir Ian)

    Top 10

    10. Spider-Man (Tobey)
    9. Catwoman (Michelle)
    8. Lex Luthor (Hackman)
    7. Joker (Jack)
    6. Batman (Keaton)
    5. Prof X (Captain Picard)
    4. Tony Stark (Sherlock Holmes)
    3. Superman (Chris Reeves)
    2. Joker (Heath)
    1. Wolverine(Hugh Jackman)


    Full Article:
    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/best-superheroes-performances-ever-981207
     
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    I never cared for Hackman's Lex Luthor. Or anyone else's, for that matter. I don't think Luthor is a bad villain in the comics, but for some reason no one has captured him on film. Superman was about Clark & Lois, though, and a decent superhero movie was unicorn in those days, so having a weak villain wasn't a big deal, and overall I think the movie holds up pretty well. Perhaps unfairly, Reeves and Kidder are still the yardsticks for everyone playing those characters today.

    Also, when it comes to Pfeiffer's Catwoman, even after all these years, I can't decide whether a fun, campy performance is the same as a good performance. The movie was kind of a trainwreck in some ways, but Pfeiffer and DeVito (not mentioned in this list :nono: ) totally make it worth watching. I suppose in a list of superhero movies, it's reasonable to give camp more credit than you might in other genres.
     
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    1) I really thought Toby Maguire's Spider-Man was terrible. On the same hand, perhaps the only remediable quality on the Amazing Spider-Man series was that Andrew Garfield totally captured the nerdy, awkward, late teens/early 20's Spider-Man

    2) I love that Keaton is higher than Bale. I've read a review once that made the claim that Bale the best Bruce Wayne and Keaton the best Batman, and I think I agree with that.

    3) While I don't agree that Wolverine is the best comic book character, I can agree with Jackman being #1 as I can't think of a single superhero/villain on this list who's identity is so entwined with just one actor. RDJ's Tony is getting there though.
     
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    I didn't think Maguire was terrible, but yeah, I certainly wouldn't rate him Top 10. In fact, I think I'd rate Tom Holland's Spider-Man ahead of Maguire's, and Holland isn't anywhere on this list.

    Also, while I applaud their choice of Brandon Lee's Eric Draven, they didn't include Michael Wincott's Top Dollar. "Quick impression: 'Caw! Caw! Bang! [Frack], I'm dead!'" :lol:
     
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    I like Maguire Spidy far more than I did the Garfield. Other than that, not a list that I have much agreement with.
     
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    I'm not totally sure that Legion deserves to be called a "superhero" show, but lacking a general-interest television thread, I'll just say that episode 4 was great. After a slower episode 3 I was relieved to see the show get down with its insane self. After the first two eps, I worried that it couldn't possibly maintain its brand of crazy, and episode 3 had me thinking I was right. I was wrong.

    And while I'm sure there are people here who don't need to be told that Jemaine Clement is awesome, there are probably also people who say "Who?" To them, I say, Jemaine Clement is awesome.

     
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    Another new list, this time the movies ranked:

    Spoiler Collider's 30 Best Superhero Movies :
    Superhero stories have been a part of popular culture for over 75 years, but it's not just on the printed page that they're being told. Many kinds of adaptations have been told across various media, but the big screen is arguably the most popular destination besides the comic books themselves. The last four decades or so have seen continued expansion of full-length superhero features, and whether it's traditional narratives or takes that deconstruct the material, they're frequently great tales to watch.

    Currently we live in a time when the superhero movie's popularity is at an all time high. Marvel and DC continue to announce new projects for their cinematic universe, and even other companies are contributing to the genre whether it's adapting an existing property or coming up with something original. With so many entries, both live action and animated, there's more than enough to determine which are the greatest of the bunch. With that in mind, Cinema Blend has put together its definitive list of the 30 best superhero movies ever made. Not everyone will necessarily agree on the exact order, but we guarantee that many of your favorites made the cut. And don't worry, folks, with all the positive buzz surrounding Captain America: Civil War, it's guaranteed to get a spot on here later down the line.
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    30. Iron Man 3

    After two solo movies and The Avengers, Iron Man 3 threw a wrench into Tony Stark's superhero career by taking away his armor, the main thing he uses to fight bad guys. Under Shane Black's direction, the movie not only reminded us how capable Tony is without his greatest invention, but also provided a whole strike force of Iron Men that he built over many sleepless nights. Although the Mandarin twist angered some fans, Iron Man 3 did enough to redeem the series, especially by giving Tony a main villain who didn't just simply use his own technology against him.
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    29. Hellboy

    Hellboy's presence on this list is made all the more impressive when its titular character is compared to the other heroes present on this list. The definition of a niche character with limited appeal, Hellboy's success is a testament to the reverence director Guillermo del Toro has for the source material, and the commitment actor Ron Perlman has for the character himself. A well-crafted horror-action hybrid film with almost zero name recognition among mainstream audiences, Hellboy succeeds on the merits of its filmmaking alone, and that's not a claim that every superhero movie has the privilege of making.
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    28. The Wolverine

    Hugh Jackman would be the first to tell you that for most of the X-Men series, they never fully captured the spirit and essence of Wolverine on screen. Before Logan, the closest they arguably came was with James Mangold's The Wolverine. An attempt to adapt Chris Claremont and Frank Miller's "Japan Saga," The Wolverine sends our clawed mutant to Tokyo where he's asked to repay a life debt. In the process, he gets pulled into a war involving the Yakuza, his true love Mariko, and the Silver Samurai. It mostly works (losing its way when the Silver Samurai arrives), and Jackman continues to develop his cherished character right before the events of X-Men: Days of Future Past.
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    27. Avengers: Age of Ultron

    After coming together in The Avengers, Earth's Mightiest Heroes reunited three years later in Avengers: Age of Ultron to battle the eponymous villain. Along with the six returning heroes and other key supporting characters, the sequel introduced Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and The Vision. Fortunately, the movie still managed give each of its protagonists enough attention so that it never felt like one person was overshadowing the rest. All this character development, along with some of the MCU's best fights, made Avengers: Age of Ultron a thrilling blockbuster and a fascinating set up for the Phase Three movies.
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    26. X-Men: First Class

    Following two negatively received installments, the X-Men movies got off to a semi-new start in 2011 with X-Men: First Class. Taking place in 1962, moviegoers followed Professor X, Magneto and a few other established favorites from in their younger years interacting with other mutants in a time when their kind wasn't publicly known. Although this is a prequel, it felt more like a reboot by getting some distance from the original movies to tell a smaller, yet still important, origin tale filled with dazzling, spy-like intrigue, thus freshening up the series and ushering in the 'First Class" trilogy.
    chris evans as captain america in captain america: the first avenger
    25. Captain America: The First Avenger

    Captain America: The First Avenger wasn't the first time the Star Spangled hero was featured on the big screen, but it did introduce Steve Rogers in a more faithful fashion to those not familiar with the comics. Jumping back in time to the 1940s, when World War II was raging and Captain America was the United States' top hero, the movie managed to convey a timeless feel reminiscent of director Joe Johnston's previous movie, The Rocketeer. Thanks to Chris Evans' performance, great choreographed action and a unique story, Captain America: The First Avenger provide moviegoers a fun adventure in the MCU decades past.
    paul rudd as ant-man in ant-man
    24. Ant-Man

    Just like they did the previous year with Guardians of the Galaxy, 2015's Ant-Man took an obscure character from Marvel's library and turned them into a hit at the box office. The Peyton Reed-directed flick featured Scott Lang as the Tiny Titan working to harness the Pym Particle technology and make up for his criminal past with Hank Pym and Hope van Dyne's help. By adding plenty of humor and incorporating a heist into the story, Ant-Man turned out to be anything but small when it came to enjoyability, and also made for a nice "epilogue" to Phase Two following Avengers: Age of Ultron.
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    23. The Rocketeer

    Joe Johnston's The Rocketeer came out at a time when Batman was really the only big screen superhero game in town, but it truly captures the spirit of the best in the genre: it's truly a hell of a lot of fun. Billy Campbell is an effortlessly charming lead, and he's surrounded by a brilliant cast with Jennifer Connelly, Alan Arkin, Timothy Dalton, Paul Sorvino and Terry O'Quinn. It's a thrilling adventure that takes full advantage of its wonderful period setting, and it hasn't aged a day -- making it a pretty great double feature with Johnston's second superhero story: Captain America: The First Avenger.
    Doctor Strange wearing cloak and eye of Agamotto
    22. Doctor Strange

    Doctor Strange marked another first for the MCU: the full introduction of magic after a few years of those particular forces being tiptoed around. This movie hit some of the same beats as Iron Man with its arrogant protagonist (Stephen Strange) learning how he can truly help the world (using the mystic arts), but Doctor Strange still felt extremely different than past Marvel movies. With the inclusion of magic, the exploration of other realities and a truly unique final confrontation that shows you don't always need fists or brute force to defeat an adversary, Doctor Strange is not only a solid origin story, but will always be appreciated for opening up a new corner for the MCU for future movies to delve into.
    christopher reeve as Superman flying
    21. Superman (1978)

    We believed a man can fly. Most point to Richard Donner's Superman as the movie that started it all, and while it certainly wasn't the first superhero movie, you can trace virtually every hit from the modern era to this landmark feature. Donner understood the importance of the hero's origin story, spending as much time on Krypton and in Kansas as he did in Metropolis because understanding Clark Kent helped us appreciate Superman. Christopher Reeve embodied DC's mightiest hero, Margot Kidder was a delightfully zany Lois, and the movie had supporting roles for Gene Hackman and Marlon Brando! Superman makes this list for John Williams' score, alone.
    ron perlman as hellboy in Hellboy II: The Golden Army
    20. Hellboy II: The Golden Army

    Guillermo del Toro did a brilliant job bringing Mike Mignola's amazing stone-handed creation to the big screen with Hellboy in 2004, he actually managed to make something even better four years later in Hellboy II: The Golden Army. Both the visual and special effects are spectacular and beautiful, the plot provides a fantastic journey for the audience, and you really care about the peril of the fantastic ensemble as the stakes get higher and higher. We can only hope that someday del Toro will have the opportunity to complete the trilogy with a Hellboy III, and craft the conclusion to the story he's always wanted.
    Batman 1989 Michael Keaton
    19. Batman (1989)

    The superhero genre was stuck in a rut in 1989. Warner Bros. drove its Superman franchise into the ground with Superman IV: Quest for Peace, and audiences wanted no part of duds like Supergirl or Howard the Duck. Fortunately, with the gothic Batman, Tim Burton proved a director could put his or her stamp on a classic comic-book character, and reinvent the hero for a new generation. Michael Keaton wiped the memory of Adam West from our collective minds, and Jack Nicholson broke the mold on playing The Joker... at least, until Heath Ledger broke his mold decades later. Prince's music was the icing on this Bat-cake.
    X-Men: Days of Future Past
    18. X-Men: Days of Future Past

    Bryan Singer's take on the iconic Days of Future Past storyline provides us with a quintessential example of how to adapt an iconic storyline whilst making logical changes to the narrative. Although X-Men: Days of Future Past deviates greatly from its source material, it arguably improves upon it by incorporating cherished elements from the live-action X-Men universe. Despite its high stakes and equally high concept sci-fi premise, Days of Future Past works so well because it tells an emotional story anchored by the concept of family and making the ultimate sacrifice for those we love and care about most.
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    17. X-Men

    Bryan Singer turned out to be the ideal director to bring the X-Men to the silver screen. Coming off of both The Usual Suspects and Apt Pupil, Singer grasped the darker tone -- paired with a flippant sarcasm -- that was necessary to bring Marvel's mutant outcasts to the big screen. Naturally, Singer also gets credit for casting Hugh Jackman as the perfect Wolverine -- a decision that continued to fuel several superhero projects for decades afterward. 2000's X-Men ultimately laid a strong foundation for an entire mutant franchise at Fox, and it's one that continues to grow healthier (with Singer's help, actually) with each passing year.
    Watchmen
    16. Watchmen

    For years, Alan Moore and Dave Gibbons' Watchmen fell under the category "impossible to adapt," as many filmmakers tried and failed to bring the story to life (either as a movie or a miniseries). In that regard, director Zack Snyder simply deserves an incredible amount of credit, because the film is undeniably a massive undertaking, and also a beautiful adaptation of a genius tome. The movie does make some controversial choices, and there is great debate between fans about which cut is best (be it theatrical, director's, or "ultimate), but regardless of this, Watchmen is a true epic and an often stunning piece of work.
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    15. The Crow

    Based on the comics by James O'Barr, Alex Proyas' The Crow isn't your typical superhero movie at all, but it is a fantastic, thrilling, and dark feature with design that has become iconic in its own right. It's a small-scale story, all of the action taking place within one small neighborhood, but it still manages to thrill with great character work and stakes that come along with it. It's a classic revenge tale with a fantasy twist, as a rock star comes back from the dead on the anniversary of his murder to get vengeance on those who killed him and his girlfriend, and it's executed with amazing style.
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    14. Spider-Man

    Although there's a significant portion of the population who would refer to Spider-Man 2 as the pinnacle of Sam Raimi's trilogy, the contribution of the original Spider-Man to the genre as a whole cannot be understated. From the film's hyper-stylized aesthetic, to the perfect casting choices in the form of Tobey Maguire, Willem Dafoe, and J.K. Simmons (just to name a few,) Spider-Man was one of the first major superhero films to prove that a faithful adaptation of treasured source material could yield a profit on the silver screen. Without this one movie the genre would look quite different today.
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    13. Unbreakable

    An origin story for an unknown superhero, M. Night Shyamalan's Unbreakable embraces every trope of the comic-book genre, but goes through painstaking efforts to ground each cliché in a realistic setting. What would happen if an average man (Bruce Willis) slowly realized that he had super powers? How much would he have to endure before he started to believe in his own abilities? And what, then, would he do with those powers once his abilities had been confirmed? The tragedy of Unbreakable is that Shyamalan hasn't been able to continue the saga of David Dunn and his nemesis, Mr. Glass (Samuel L. Jackson)... at least, not yet.
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    12. Batman Begins

    Christopher Nolan's work on Batman Begins didn't just change the superhero genre; it forever altered the course of action films in general. The first entry in the beloved Dark Knight trilogy set the standard for dark, gritty, and realistic depiction of traditionally flamboyant characters like Batman, and bled into other franchises like James Bond and Spider-Man. Nolan completely reinvented the character from the ground up, providing a new take on everything from his equipment to the Batcave to his lesser-known rogues like Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul. Beyond that, Batman Begins is quite simply a pitch perfect adaptation of Frank Miller's Batman: Year One story arc, and arguably the most faithful depiction of the Caped Crusader himself within the entire trilogy. For the first time ever on the silver screen, Batman truly became a dark, terrifying creature of the night who could do battle with legions of criminals from the shadows.
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    11. X2: X-Men United

    Three years after X-Men essentially kicked off the modern superhero movie era, reunited us with the mutant superheroes as they battled the fanatical, prejudiced Colonel William Stryker. Just like in the last movie, Wolverine remained the central character, and it was here that moviegoers learned more about his past, namely how Stryker was responsible for Logan's claws being coated in adamantium. Fortunately, the movie also did provided enough screen time to the other players, including Jean Grey, Charles Xavier, Nightcrawler and Iceman. At a time where superhero movies were still just starting to become popular to all kinds of audiences, stayed provided some of the best the source material had to offer (including a tease of Jean Grey becoming Phoenix) while also continuing to tackle discrimination issues. The X-Men movie franchise is still going strong, but overall consensus is that this sequel remains its best main entry.


    10. Iron Man

    We've seen a lot of great superhero casting over the years -- especially in the modern era -- but the argument could be made that the choice of Robert Downey Jr. to play Tony Stark a.k.a. Iron Man completely changed the comic book movie landscape. Jon Favreau's brilliantly entertaining 2008 blockbuster is truly fueled on the unstoppable wit and charisma of its star, and it's what propelled Iron Man to greatness. Armed with a great character arc and a classic redemption story, the actor made the material sing, and got amazing buzz for a film centered on a lesser-known comic book property. This buzz led to smashing box office success, and eventually paved way for what will go down in history as one of the most successful franchises ever made. It's the film that truly ushered in a new era for the comic book movie world, and continues to stand as one of the best ever made.


    9. Spider-Man 2

    The sequel tends to be the one that gets more things right. By the time a Part 2 rolls around, the creative team is able to dispense with the mandatory origin story and truly swing into action. And that's exactly why we adore Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2, which plunges audiences right back into the complicated realm of young Peter Parker (Tobey Maguire) and his painfully awkward efforts to maintain a social life while also fighting crime as the web-slinger. That conflict reaches a breaking point in Spider-Man 2, allowing Peter to actually walk away from his alter ego -- albeit temporarily -- in a sequence that beautifully nods to The Amazing Spider-Man #50. At the same time, Spider-Man 2 nails Doctor Octopus, who is brought to terrifying life by the perfectly cast Alfred Molina. The train fight remains one of the best action set pieces in any superhero movie, and a benchmark of the Spider-Man cinematic saga.


    8. Guardians of the Galaxy

    When Marvel Studios announced at San Diego Comic-Con 2012 that they would be creating a Guardians of the Galaxy movie, the news was met with a collective "Huh?" While Marvel had managed to be successful even without the rights to popular characters like Spider-Man or the X-Men, this group of space-trotting heroes was certainly seen as an incredibly obscure choice for a film. In retrospect, thanks to the hiring of writer/director James Gunn to be at the helm, the move was brilliant. Armed with a stunningly charismatic ensemble led by the effortlessly charming Chris Pratt, the film is fun and awe-inspiring on a Star Wars level, and introduced the world to characters that pop culture will not soon forget. You'd think that a feature starring a talking raccoon and a mobile tree would be an instant flop, but it's really one of the best pieces of blockbuster entertainment we've ever seen.


    7. Captain America: Civil War

    When it was revealed that Captain America: Civil War would feature nearly all of the MCU heroes, fans immediately nicknamed it Avengers 2.5 However, the threequel managed to juggle what seemed like an impossible task. At the same time as keeping the story largely centered around Steve Rogers' personal struggles, they also gave all the heroes enough time to shine, especially for newcomers Black Panther and Spider-Man. Despite the large cast, it never felt overcrowded, and each protagonist had their own unique role to play in arguably the most intricate story the Marvel Cinematic Universe has told so far. That was impressive enough, but when you combine that with explosive action, emotional bears and even a few twists that were surprising even for longtime comic book fans didn't see coming, Captain America: Civil War ushered in Phase Three with a bang and set the stage for many upcoming MCU movies.


    6. Logan

    Hugh Jackman wanted his last Wolverine movie to be impactful and memorable. He succeeded, and then some! Like Deadpool, Logan was unlike any X-Men or general superhero movie that had come before, feeling more like a modern Western than a cape and costumed adventure. Following an aged and weary Wolverine as he faced his mortality while also taking care of an unstable Professor X and his newfound daughter Laura, this story toned down on the fantastic X-Men elements in favor of character study. The smaller-scale story and added violence made this the Wolverine movie fans had been waiting years to see. Delivering an emotional ending to Jackman's tenure as the clawed mutant, Logan marks the end of an era and could have easily served as the last chapter of the entire X-Men cinematic universe.


    5. The Incredibles

    One of the greatest superhero ensemble stories doesn't have Marvel or DC ahead of its title. Instead, it's a 2004 Pixar story about former superheroes who are forced to table their crime-fighting ways after the government legislates their activities to prevent collateral damages. The fact that these same themes were explored years later in movies like Civil War and Batman v Superman shows just how ahead of his time Brad Bird really was with The Incredibles. This movie also celebrates family as it highlights bravery, explaining why heroes -- dubbed "Supers" in this universe -- are vital, and why those with a gift can't simply turn it off. Also, the action scenes are a thrill a minute, particularly those involving Dash. Whoever tries to reboot The Fantastic Four again (because you know it will happen) needs only to memorize Bird's approach to family and teamwork, and they just might get it right.


    4. Deadpool

    No other movie defied odds and expectations quite like 2016's Deadpool. After one majorly disappointing silver screen debut, and years in development hell, Ryan Reynolds finally got the chance to don the red and black suit in earnest to portray the beloved comic book Wade Wilson. Deadpool is nothing if not vulgar, violent, and a rip-roaring good time that subverts expectations of a comic book film whilst embracing the over the top absurdity of a classic 1980s action flick. It's a small scale, gore-filled revenge thriller that also seems to possess an astonishing amount of heart and sentimentality. In a genre dominated by sanitized content and PG-13 ratings, Deadpool turned the movie industry on its head by proving once and for all the niche characters slapped with R-ratings can undoubtedly appeal to massive mainstream audiences and yield absolutely insane box office returns if given the proper silver screen treatment.


    3. Captain America: The Winter Soldier

    After two outings in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, Chris Evans' Steve Rogers finally fulfilled Captain America's true potential as a hero and silver screen icon during the events of the impeccable Captain America: The Winter Soldier. By stripping the character of his more ridiculous elements and grounding him in the world of the MCU, Joe and Anthony Russo crafted a tight, enthralling political thriller that proved equal parts cerebral and pulse pounding. Although Cap had developed a strong presence in his first two MCU outings, The Winter Soldier made him a lynchpin of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and brought him to the same level of importance as Robert Downey Jr's Tony Stark. With its immaculate fight scenes, intelligent narrative and strong sense of continuity within the greater MCU, Captain America: The Winter Soldier proved that in a post-Avengers world, standalone superhero movies could be profound, insightful, and provocative.


    2. The Avengers

    In 2006, Marvel Studios began planning something incredibly ambitious and unlike anything the blockbuster world had ever seen. The idea was to release a series of solo superhero movies, with each one contributing heroes to an eventual team-up film called The Avengers. This major gamble turned out to be genius, and that same team-up film -- written and directed by Joss Whedon -- easily stands as one of the greatest superhero movies we will ever see. From the brilliant banter between heroes, to the perfect villain in Tom Hiddleston's devilish Loki, to its epic, jaw-dropping third act, everything about it is fun, thrilling or both. It's a movie that genre fans will be talking about for decades, replaying over and over, and it will forever be considered one of the greatest cinematic events in history -- both because of its tremendous quality and the stunning pop culture fervor it created.

    1. The Dark Knight

    Christopher Nolan reinvigorated Batman on the big screen in 2005 with Batman Begins, but it was the 2008 sequel, The Dark Knight, that really took the world by storm. To this day, it serves as the prime example of when a sequel can improve upon its predecessor and then some. Taking inspiration from stories like The Killing Joke and The Long Halloween, the movie followed Batman as he fought The Joker, played by Heath Ledger, whose performance stunned audiences everywhere and earned him a posthumous Best Supporting Actor Oscar. Besides the conflict between the Dark Knight and the Clown Prince of Crime, the movie also impressed viewers by chronicling Harvey Dent's fall from grace, going from civil servant to two-faced revenge seeker. By combining the traditional superhero elements with a gripping crime narrative, The Dark Knight is not just the best superhero movie, but one of the greatest moves over the last few decades.

    33. Big Hero 6
    32. Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice
    31. Man of Steel
    30. Iron Man 3
    29. Hellboy
    28. The Wolverine
    27. Avengers: Age of Ultron
    26. X-Men: First Class
    25. Captain America: The First Avenger
    24. Ant-Man
    23. The Rocketeer
    22. Doctor Strange
    21. Superman (1978)
    20. Hellboy II: The Golden Army
    19. Batman (1989)
    18. X-Men: Days of Future Past
    17. X-Men
    16. Watchmen
    15. The Crow
    14. Spider-Man
    13. Unbreakable
    12. Batman Begins
    11. X2: X-Men United
    10. Iron Man
    9. Spider-Man 2
    8. Guardians of the Galaxy
    7. Captain America: Civil War
    6. Logan
    5. The Incredibles
    4. Deadpool
    3. Captain America: The Winter Soldier
    2. The Avengers
    1. The Dark Knight
     
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    Hrm. I'm not sure I can abide a list that puts BvS ahead of Big Hero 6.

    I can't help noticing how many movies featuring women are on this list. That's not entirely Collider's fault, though. It's like Hollywood makes crap movies starring women just so they can claim they don't work. I think you could put Underworld on this list if you felt like it, but having to stretch the definition of superhero(ine) just to get a woman on the list feels weak.
     
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    Happy 20th anniversary to my all-time favorite superhero television show, Buffy the Vampire Slayer.


    Link to video.

    I haven't watched the show since it aired, so I may have to give it another whirl and see how well it's stood the test of time. One thing I remember was that the show didn't click with me until season 2. Season 1 was kind of stuck following in the footsteps of the movie, and the series didn't establish its own, superior identity until the 2nd season. In fact, I only watched about 1/3rd of the first season when it aired, and didn't become a real fan until season 2. So if you decide to watch it for the first time, I wouldn't hold it against you if you watch the first couple of eps and then skip ahead to the finale of season 1. I think you'd have all the necessary plot points to proceed without missing anything.

    Looking back on my post above about the dearth of even half-decent superhero movies featuring women, I can't help noting that television has been quite the reverse. In fact, I think women may be over-represented among my favorite superhero shows. Surely this is owed partly to my own personal preferences, going back to Wonder Woman when I was very young. But nevertheless, I think I would rank Buffy and Jessica Jones as my #1 & #2 superhero shows. I don't know how well Lois & Clark holds up all these years later, but if I rank the shows based on where they stood at the time they aired, that's 3-4 out of my Top 5 superhero shows that happen to feature women in the lead roles (with Agents of SHIELD).
     
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    Buffy is like my number 1 show of all time too. The movie was so silly I didn't watch the show when it first came on. I think it was season 5 when I first started watching, and it was years after that I got the complete DVD set and finally saw all of it. While there was a bit of weakness here and there, that's true of everything. As a whole I was hooked. And have all of Angel on DVD as well.

    Hell, even the avatar I use here <---- is derived from Buffy. If only indirectly. And I've been using variants of that online for something like 15 years.
     
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    I never really watched Angel, but I can't remember why now. That's around the time I was in school, maybe I had class the night it was on.
     
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    Always time to catch up on it now.
     
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    Hrm, well, the reviews of the first 6 episodes of Iron Fist are not good. I have to admit that my expectations were low. The basic Iron Fist story is one that we've seen a million times just in the last few years: Rich, white American guy travels to Asia, learns how to kick butt, returns to his home town to fight bad guys and run his family's business, fighting villains in alleys and in boardrooms. It's one of the original, modern superhero stories, going back to The Shadow, and we've seen it 3 times in recent years, with Batman Begins, Dr. Strange, and Arrow. Even Daredevil, Iron Fist's Netflix predecessor and Defenders teammate, has trod some of this ground already (Daredevil has a working-class background, but the other elements are there).

    With all the crap Marvel/Disney got for their casting of white actors in Dr. Strange, I thought Iron Fist was a tremendous opportunity to cast an Asian-American actor and alter Danny Rand to an American exploring his heritage, finding out that in China he's not Chinese, culture shock, a man both of and apart from two cultures, etc, etc. With such a simple change, the story possibilities open like a flower blooming in the sun. Maybe he was adopted. Maybe his grandfather was among the shipping magnates who fled China in the 1940s. Parables about Tibet, Taiwan, 2nd- or 3rd-generation immigrants, and the Chinese diaspora practically fall from the sky.

    That's before we even get into the story of K'un L'un and the Seven Cities of Heaven and the Immortal Weapons (I'd really love to see a cameo from the other 5), and all the comic-booky stuff. Where Daredevil was a nod to the '70s New York movie vigilantes, Jessica Jones had a little bit of Mike Hammer in her, and Luke Cage was a blend of Shaft and Shane (not my words, fwiw, I'm pretty sure the show-runner described the series that way), Iron Fist could have been an American wuxia story. With the other shows taking such grounded approaches to hand-to-hand fighting, for example, the choreographers could have let Iron Fist off the chain a little bit, introducing some magical elements. Maybe not full-on Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon flying through the air [stuff], but a little wall-running and snatching arrows out of the air wouldn't be out of place. This is still Marvel Comics, after all, and Iron Fist's martial art style is supposed to be half-magic. Additionally, the decades-long American love affair with Chinese action movies makes an eventual Power Man & Iron Fist teamup all the better ("Shaft enters the 36th Chamber" almost writes itself :lol: ).

    Anyway, it was clear months ago that they weren't going to go that route. Okay. Fine. I supposed it was more important that it be good than Asian, and if the writers had a good thing going, I wouldn't want to ruin their flow by forcing them to recast and rewrite. But so far - reviewers were only given the first 6 episodes - it doesn't sound promising. Of course I'll watch it, but it sounds like it might be work.
     
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    A small load off my mind: FX has renewed Legion for a second season. I was totally prepared to add it to my list of shows canceled too soon because nobody watched.
     
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    I didn't know Iron fist had started yet. I'll have to look it up.
     
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    It just premiered today, so you're not behind the curve. Anyway, Netflix just got season 3 of Halt and Catch Fire and Amazon just got season 4 of Orphan Black, so I'll probably be putting Iron Fist on the back burner.
     
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    Possibly because I was never able to catch the eps in order, but I wasn't able to get into Orphan Black.
     
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    It took me two tries. I watched the first ep when it aired and it didn't grab me, but later, when the whole first season was available to stream, I really took to it.
     
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    I've been working through Iron Fist past few days. There's definitely weaknesses in the plot. Don't want to say too much since you haven't seen it yet. But it's worth the time, if not much more than that. I imagine it was created as it was at least in part to set up The Defenders. I don't know the Iron Fist mythos other than what I've seen in the show. So I don't have that to compare to.
     

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