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Discussion in 'Arts & Entertainment' started by EgonSpengler, Mar 10, 2015.

  1. CivCube

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    I had to stop after the first episode.
     
  2. EgonSpengler

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    I've watched the first few eps of Iron Fist. I don't think it's the train-wreck that the overall tenor of the reviews would lead you to believe it is. Right now it's got a 37 on Metacritic, where Batman v Superman got a 44. I think that's a little silly, but I do think Iron Fist made some strange choices.

    Critics were only given 6 episodes to review. I can't figure out that decision. I can't remember if other Netflix series did it that way, but it was an odd choice that may have really hurt this show.

    The early episodes feel like a prologue to whatever the story will eventually be, and I'm not sure what the writers are waiting for. Daredevil sort of took a similar approach, but as a friend said, at least Matt was Daredevil right from the beginning. iirc, the first scene in Daredevil is when he frees the women from the shipping container, in his black proto-costume, and he does some superhero stuff, like bouncing a short length of pipe in that physics-defying way that is his signature move in the comics. And the final scene of Daredevil's 2nd episode became that show's iconic moment. Some say it was among the best fight scenes ever filmed, a totally unfair yardstick against which to measure Iron Fist, but hey.

    The central conflict of the first couple of episodes - can Danny convince people he is who he claims to be? - isn't compelling enough by itself, especially in a superhero show. The audience knows he is, so there's no mystery there, and the character drama would be a nice B-plot (I liked Big Al, the homeless guy Danny meets in the park), but doesn't carry 2 episodes. After almost 3 hours, I can't tell you who the show's central villain is (I have a guess who it is, having watched Daredevil, and I can't decide if I think that's clever or not). If Harold Meachum is the show's Big Bad, it's unclear.

    The writers decided to make Danny a bit of a rube. Rather than it being a character-building flaw, I thought he just came across as a dope. There are hints that life at the monastery wasn't all beautiful mountain vistas and Buddhist wisdom, and that Danny has a little PTSD, which is a much more interesting way to go, imo. As of episode 3, it looks like he may be getting away from the "wide-eyed country kid in the big city" thing, so maybe that's just another instance of the story taking too long to get into gear.

    I think all of the Netflix Marvel shows have labored under the weight of 13 episodes. Jessica Jones and Luke Cage each had at least one episode that was a chore to watch; season 2 of Daredevil used the length to tell two stories; and Luke Cage took a bit of a nose-dive in its 2nd half. Maybe Iron Fist deserved to be 8 episodes, and it really takes off in its 2nd half. Here's hoping.
     
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    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    I'm near the end of the season of IF. It's neither great nor bad. But the story as a whole is part of the background for where I think they're planning to go in the future.
     
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    I'm not as far as along, but I agree it's neither good nor bad. The massive pile-on it's getting seems excessive, and I suspect some people just enjoy being negative. OTOH, the show does seem to be deliberately avoiding anything superpowered, heroic, or electrifying. I don't quite understand how the producers of a show about a guy with supernaturally-charged martial arts who puts on a mask and fights evil greenlit this particular script, which seems to include very little of that stuff. An artistic "deconstruction" is very challenging, because you can't compromise the essence of the thing, or you're just demolishing it. I'm not even 100% sure a deconstruction is what they were attempting here, but it kind of feels like it, and that's certainly been a recurrent theme over the last couple of decades.
     
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    I finished Iron Fist over the weekend. A big meh. It wasn't as awful as the reviews seem to be saying, but there wasn't a lot that I liked. I don't really know what the writers were trying to do. They seemed reluctant to make a superhero show I don't know if I could summarize the story. I wonder what this show's 'elevator pitch' was.
     
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    Cutlass The Man Who Wasn't There.

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    I get the impression that they really didn't have something to say so much as they needed to set up the future series. :dunno:
     
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    Yeah, could be. I didn't think that it even advanced the ongoing story at all, but maybe some more parts of it will click into place once I see The Defenders. I mean, having to see the subsequent chapter to understand the one you're watching is poor, poor storytelling, but it honestly might improve my estimation of this show a little to see that at least they had some kind of "endgame" in mind.

    Oh well.

    In the meantime, if you want some over-the-top martial arts, a charismatic Asian-American lead, and a decent villain in a show that tells a classic American story with Chinese flair (or is it a classic Chinese story with some American flair? :lol: ), Into the Badlands is the series Iron Fist should have been.


    Link to video.
     
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    http://variety.com/2017/film/news/batgirl-movie-joss-whedon-warner-bros-1202018544/

    ‘Batgirl’ Movie: Joss Whedon to Direct Standalone Film (EXCLUSIVE)

     
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    I'd rather Whedon did some original material and get away from the meddling production juggernauts, but I'll watch anything he does. I'll keep my fingers crossed that the morons at Warner Bros. bury him in money, then stfu and let him do what he wants. I think his weakest effort to date was still better than the non-Nolan DC Comics movies we've gotten so far.
     
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    From Entertainment Weekly:

    So far there isn't much that assuages my skepticism, but it's still early. I looked up Emmerich, and none of the previous DC films is on his filmography, so maybe that's good sign.
     
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    I'd like to see them do a series of Batman films that went full on kitsch of the Adam West days.
     
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    I watched Into the Badlands. It was certainly over the top. Lots of action and gore. But the story is silly. And the extent to which the best fighters are better than a whole warehouse full of enemies is a bit too much.
     
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    The Defenders has been officially scheduled for August 18th.

    http://nybulletin.com/



    Spoiler :
    Check the nameplate in the elevator: "Midland Circle" was the construction site where Matt & Elektra encountered The Hand and found the gigantic hole in the ground.
     
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    Also, after watching the season finale of Legion I'm really glad it was renewed for season 2. If that final scene had been its final scene, I'd have blown a fuse. (I do hope everyone stuck around for the post-credits coda. It's been posted to YouTube, if not. Spoilers, obviously.)

     
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    iZombie, another sort-of superhero show, started its delayed 3rd season this week. Previously, one of the show's supervillains made his lair in a funeral home named "Shady Plots." This season introduces a Blackwater-style paramilitary contractor called "Filmore Graves." :lol:
     
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    More from the not-quite-a-superhero-show file: I watched the first episode of Preacher last night, and it's a hootenanny. Stealing a line from Alan Sepinwall, "the early episodes feel like Wes Anderson was mistakenly given a Quentin Tarantino script and decided to film it anyway." There's a fight scene introducing one of the main characters that will make you forget all about Iron Fist; later in the same ep, there's another fight scene that will make you say, "See? This is what Iron Fist should have been!" A couple of beers and a couple more episodes are definitely on this weekend's itinerary.

    Ruth Negga: If you're in a fantasy sports-style Hollywood game league, a sharp-eyed manager has already drafted her.
     
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    Okay, so it turns out that the baddest mother-lover in the entire Marvel Cinematic Universe is Cate Blanchett.

     
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    What do you want to bet that that Zeppelin song isn't on the soundtrack? :p Years ago there was a comics like movie called Sucker Punch which used a Zeppelin song in the trailer, but not the movie. Disappointing.

    I'm looking forward to that Thor movie. I liked the others. Natalie Portman opted out of it. I think that was a mistake.


    I've been watching Wyona Earp. Not really that good. But OK I guess. Sort of a Supernatural/Buffy/Jessica Jones. But not as well written or directed as any of those. It's an extremely Canadian show. Which I should be getting used to by now, as so much of mid to low cost TV show production has shifted to Canada to save costs. Lots of not known in the States Canadian actors.
     
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    Preacher and Legion I can't find on Netlix.
     

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