Supreme Court Finds Bounds of Reason. I am Shocked.

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In an 8-1 decision the Supreme Court of the US finds that it is unreasonable for school officials to be allowed to strip search a 13 yr old girl to find if she had some Advil:eek:. I am amazed that this bunch finds any limits on government action based on reason. Not surprisingly Clarence (pubic hair) Thomas was in dissent because who knows what could be hidden in your pubes.


Justices: Strip search of teen was illegal
Supreme Court says Arizona school officials violated the law
The Associated Press
updated 9:30 a.m. PT, Thurs., June 25, 2009
WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court said Thursday school officials acted illegally when they strip-searched an Arizona teenage girl looking for prescription-strength ibuprofen.

In an 8-1 ruling, the justices said that school officials violated the Fourth Amendment ban on unreasonable searches when they ordered Savana Redding to remove her clothes and shake out her underwear.

Redding was 13 when Safford Middle School officials in rural eastern Arizona conducted the search. They were looking for pills — the equivalent of two Advils. The district bans prescription and over-the-counter drugs and the school was acting on a tip from another student.

The school's search of Redding's backpack and outer clothes was permissible, the court said. But the justices said that officials went too far when they asked to search her underwear.

A 1985 Supreme Court decision that dealt with searching a student's purse had found that school officials need only reasonable suspicions, not probable cause. But that decision also warned against a search that is "excessively intrusive."

"What was missing from the suspected facts that pointed to Savana was any indication of danger to the students from the power of the drugs or their quantity, and any reason to suppose that Savana was carrying pills in her underwear," Justice David Souter wrote in the majority opinion. "We think that the combination of these deficiencies was fatal to finding the search reasonable."

Redding said she was pleased with the court's decision. "I'm pretty excited about it, because that's what I wanted," she said. "I wanted to keep it from happening to anybody else."

"The court's decision sends a clear signal to school officials that they can strip search students only in the most extraordinary situations," added her lawyer, Adam Wolf of the American Civil Liberties Union Foundation.

In a dissent, Justice Clarence Thomas found the search legal and said the court previously had given school officials "considerable leeway" under the Fourth Amendment in school settings.

Officials had searched the girl's backpack and found nothing, Thomas said. "It was eminently reasonable to conclude the backpack was empty because Redding was secreting the pills in a place she thought no one would look," Thomas said.

"Redding would not have been the first person to conceal pills in her undergarments," he said. "Nor will she be the last after today's decision, which announces the safest place to secrete contraband in school."

Immunity for school officials
The high court also ruled school officials cannot be held liable in a lawsuit for the search. Different judges around the nation have come to different conclusions about immunity for school officials in strip searches, which leads the Supreme Court to "counsel doubt that we were sufficiently clear in the prior statement of law," Souter said.

"We think these differences of opinion from our own are substantial enough to require immunity for the school officials in this case," Souter said.

The justices also said the lower courts would have to determine whether the Safford United School District No. 1 could be held liable.

A schoolmate had accused Redding, then an eighth-grader, of giving her pills.

The school's vice principal, Kerry Wilson, took Redding to his office to search her backpack. When nothing was found, Redding was taken to a nurse's office where she says she was ordered to take off her shirt and pants. Redding said they then told her to move her bra to the side and to stretch her underwear waistband, exposing her breasts and pelvic area. No pills were found.


A federal magistrate dismissed a suit by Redding and her mother, April. An appeals panel agreed that the search didn't violate her rights. But last July, a full panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals found the search was "an invasion of constitutional rights" and that Wilson could be found personally liable.

Justices John Paul Stevens and Ruth Bader Ginsburg dissented from the portion of the ruling saying that Wilson could not be held financially liable.

"Wilson's treatment of Redding was abusive and it was not reasonable for him to believe that the law permitted it," Ginsburg said.

The case is Safford Unified School District v. April Redding, 08-479.

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Interesting. I wonder what would have happened if they had 'good reason' to believe she was hiding pills in her underwear?
 
Too bad there won't be any punishment for the district.

As to being shocked, I'm always shocked when Thomas doesn't count as Scalia's second vote.
 
Jesus Christ what kind of world does Clarence Thomas want us to live in? I understand the "this decision tells criminals how to act" argument, but kids smuggling drugs in their underwear? Schools should be able to strip search children? Together with his opinions on the Presidency (an elected king, essentially), one gets the idea that he'd rather be a subject than a citizen.

Cleo
 
I'm about three-quarters of the way through reading Justice Thomas' dissent, and it seems entirely reasonable based on what he says, although I happen to personally think that performing this search was unreasonable.

Read the full decision here.
 
What if she was hiding a gun? That's the problem

#1 -- She didn't. It was suspected that she had Advil.

#2 -- Call the cops.

Cleo
 
Anyways, I can't wait to read what Scalia wrote.
 
You should have more sexual education at school. The girl should have know that contraceptive pills work by putting them in the body through me mouth, not from the other end! Why would she have put that in her underwear?
 
You should have more sexual education at school. The girl should have know that contraceptive pills work by putting them in the body through me mouth, not from the other end! Why would she have put that in her underwear?

Huh? It had nothing to do with contraceptives or sex ed.
 
#1 -- She didn't. It was suspected that she had Advil.

#2 -- Call the cops.

Cleo

2 is a good point, maybe, but number 1 is not the point; I was speaking hypothetically to illustrate whether intrusion is enough to stop a search. I would say that the student's right to privacy comes low down on the list of priorities, especially where quick action is required
 
What if she was hiding a gun? That's the problem

But they didn't suspect a gun; they suspected two pills of Advil. :crazyeye:
Even if they suspected her to be in possession of marijuana or crack, a strip-search is not reasonable.
 
Huh? It had nothing to do with contraceptives or sex ed.
I know, I just find the idea of searching for pills in underwear funny. A kind of immediate association.
 
But they didn't suspect a gun; they suspected two pills of Advil. :crazyeye:
Even if they suspected her to be in possession of marijuana or crack, a strip-search is not reasonable.

But what if she had OSAMA BIN LADEN hidden in her underware. We might all be dead now. Thats why I would say that that the student's right to privacy comes low down on the list of priorities, especially where quick action is required.
 
2 is a good point, maybe, but number 1 is not the point; I was speaking hypothetically to illustrate whether intrusion is enough to stop a search. I would say that the student's right to privacy comes low down on the list of priorities, especially where quick action is required

Quick action because... the Advils will melt? She'll eat them? What? :confused:
 
2 is a good point, maybe, but number 1 is not the point; I was speaking hypothetically to illustrate whether intrusion is enough to stop a search. I would say that the student's right to privacy comes low down on the list of priorities, especially where quick action is required

But number 1 is very relevant to the question of whether "quick action" was required.

Cleo
 
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