Supreme Court grants gay marriage cases

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One for DOMA and one for California's proposition 8.

Quoting from SCOTUSBlog's initial post (which will likely be updated):

About two decades after the campaign to win the right to marry for same-sex couples began, the Supreme Court on Friday afternoon agreed to consider — but not necessarily to decide — some of the most important constitutional issues at the heart of that national controversy. Each side gained the opportunity to make sweeping arguments, for or against such marriages. But the Court left itself the option, at least during the current Term, of avoiding real answers.

The rather wordy pair of orders the Justices issued at 3:13 p.m. Friday accepted for review core questions on the power of states and of Congress to pass laws that either forbid, or discourage, same-sex marriage, when such laws are passed either to express disapproval of homosexuality or to try to protect the traditional view that marriage should be open only to a man and a woman. But, on both of the granted cases, the Court told the lawyers to be prepared to argue points that could keep the Court from reaching the constitutional questions.

The Court had ten petitions on the constitutional issue (a pending eleventh one is not ready for the Justices to react), and they picked only two. One is on the constitionality of California’s “Proposition 8,” a ballot measure approved by the state’s voters in 2008 to take away a marital right that the state Supreme Court had given to same-sex couples — a case taken to the Court by the proponents of that measure (Hollingsworth, et al., v. Perry, et al., docket 12-144). The other is on the constitutionality of a part of the 1996 federal Defense of Marriage Act, providing that the word “marriage” in any federal law or regulation — including hundreds that provide benefits — means only a union of a man and a woman (United States v. Windsor, et al., 12-307). That case was taken to the Court by the Obama Administration’s Justice Department.
http://www.scotusblog.com/2012/12/on-same-sex-marriage-options-open/
 
*popcorn*
 
Mexico's Supereme Court just ruled in favor of gay marriage. All states have to recognize marriages performed in the capital but they don't have to allow them in their own states.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/11/mexico-gay-marriage-supreme-court_n_678016.html

MEXICO CITY — Mexico's Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that all 31 states must recognize same-sex marriages performed in the capital, though its decision does not force those states to begin marrying gay couples in their territory.

In a 9-2 decision, the tribunal cited an article of the constitution requiring states to recognize legal contracts drawn up elsewhere.

It did not specify what degree of recognition must be granted to same-sex couples.

Mexico City's same-sex marriage law, enacted in March, extends to wedded gay couples the right to adopt children, to jointly apply for bank loans, to inherit wealth and to be covered by their spouses' insurance policies. Some of those may end up applying only in the capital.

The Supreme Court ruled last week that same-sex weddings are constitutional – though it is holding separate discussions this week on the adoption clause.

One of the justices, Sergio Aguirre, argued against adoptions by same-sex couples Tuesday, saying children might suffer discrimination as a result.
 
Last time Mexico outliberal'ed us we took everything from Texas to California. It's about time we pushed that border further south.

ON-TOPIC: Watching Scotusblog to read the case briefs--I forget the details of the cases the Supreme Court could have heard this term.
 
We'll change the name of Baja California to America California or something.
 
GhostWriter16 -
The Supreme Court of CA overturned Prop 8, which was a proposition that made gay marraige illegal in CA. It's defenders appealed to the SCOTUS which has just agreed to take up the case.

The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) is a Federal law that (IIRC) prohibts the Federal government from recognizing SSM's and also allows states that prohibit SSM from recognizing SSM's from states that allow it. The Supreme Court is taking up a separate case to review challenge's to Obama's directive where he effectively stopped enforcing DOMA.
 
A state marriage does not provide immigration for a foreign spouse or social security benefits, two of the most important things of marriage. This is something that would greatly effect my life and many other people's.
 
GhostWriter16 -
The Supreme Court of CA overturned Prop 8, which was a proposition that made gay marraige illegal in CA. It's defenders appealed to the SCOTUS which has just agreed to take up the case.

How can SCOTUS rule on whether or not gay marriage can be allowed in California? How is this even within their jurisdiction?

The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) is a Federal law that (IIRC) prohibts the Federal government from recognizing SSM's and also allows states that prohibit SSM from recognizing SSM's from states that allow it. The Supreme Court is taking up a separate case to review challenge's to Obama's directive where he effectively stopped enforcing DOMA.

I believe you're right on what DOMA does. How can the Federal government "Not enforce" DOMA though? Are they giving gay marriage licenses illegally?
 
So, if I understand this correctly, if this gets overturned it means states aren't allowed to block same-sex marriages? Or marriage between left-handed and right-handed people? Or people with blue eyes and brown eyes? Or a protestand and a hindu?
 
So, if I understand this correctly, if this gets overturned it means states aren't allowed to block same-sex marriages? Or marriage between left-handed and right-handed people? Or people with blue eyes and brown eyes? Or a protestand and a hindu?
Next you'll say between a man and a donkey, right?

If DOMA gets overturned, it means that if you get Same Sex Married in a state that allows it, you can go to any other state and they have to recognize the marriage and grant you all the priveledges that go along with being married.

How can SCOTUS rule on whether or not gay marriage can be allowed in California? How is this even within their jurisdiction?
Does my answer matter? You're just going to say it's not constitutional regardless of what I say.

I believe you're right on what DOMA does. How can the Federal government "Not enforce" DOMA though? Are they giving gay marriage licenses illegally?
The act was struck down by an appeal court, and Obama ordered that Holder not defend it further in court. The act is dead unless the SCOTUS revives it by overturning the lower court's ruling. This is what I meant by not enforcing it (poorly worded, I admit) - the Federal Government will not try and defend it further in court by lodging appeals against the ruling which struck it down.

I assume they won't be defending it in the SCOTUS case, rather, it will be anti-SSM activist who will defend it but I'm not sure.
 
Does my answer matter? You're just going to say it's not constitutional regardless of what I say.

I'm just asking what their logic is, not asking you to make me agree with it.

I don't even necessarily care that gay people can get married, but I object to expanding Federal and Court authority further on this issue.

The act was struck down by an appeal court, and Obama ordered that Holder not defend it further in court. The act is dead unless the SCOTUS revives it by overturning the lower court's ruling. This is what I meant by not enforcing it (poorly worded, I admit) - the Federal Government will not try and defend it further in court by lodging appeals against the ruling which struck it down.

Fair enough.
 
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