Supreme Court grants gay marriage cases

[dutchfire]

Well, because you seem to be in love with him and his "government" is small enough it wouldn't hurt the first time.



EDIT: Sorry, couldn't resist!

When two libertarians met after not having seen each other for a long time:
"Is that a government in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?"

Meh, I suppose it works better for lobbyists instead of libertarians.

 

[NovaKart]

The Mayans were correct by describing the end of the world, with this happening it is no wonder they knew how the world was going to end.

Well I doubt this was meant in any seriousness but I suppose you're looking at it like it's the downfall of Western civilization or something like that. What is the status of SSM in Australia? It already exists in Western Europe and some other places and hasn't resulted in the sky caving in. Why would SSM be so catastrophic and not a world war or genocide?

For those of us on the board who are Americans under perhaps 50, I think this case could be the most important civil rights decision in our lifetimes.

 

[bhsup]

Bumping for "the big one."

Supreme Court to rule on gay marriage... nationwide.

The US Supreme Court will rule this year on whether gay couples have a right to marry across all states.

The justices said they would hear a combined case about marriage bans in four states.

But a high court ruling on the cases could fully legalise gay marriage in the US.

The court previously struck down a US law preventing federal recognition of marriages in states allowing same-sex unions.

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During two-and-a-half hours of arguments, the justices will consider two related questions - whether the US constitution requires states to issue marriage licences to gay and lesbian couples and whether states must recognise such marriages performed in other states.

The case will be argued in April and a decision is expected by late June.

 

[sophie]

Oh god I am so terrified right now. Don't trust this court at all.

Please for the love of god just hang on for 6 more months RBG.

 

[bhsup]

Really? I kind of consider it inevitable that they'll overturn all the bans.

 

[JollyRoger]

I think this will go 5-4 or 6-3 in favor of individual liberty over state bigotry.

 

[Evie]

I think at this point given october it's likely they'll say yes, but not certain. Definitely not certain.

Still, hey, SCOTUS, if you get this one right I'll stop calling you a kangaroo court for a week.

(That's the longest I trust them to go without finding a way to earn the name back, probably involving expanding corporate rights and/or police rights and/or diminishing individual liberty and rights)

 

[timtofly]

I think this will go 5-4 or 6-3 in favor of individual liberty over state bigotry.

Which half of people's individual liberty?

 

[Zack]

What about my God-given right to deny someone their rights?

 

[Evie]

The half that's all of it.

As opposed to the half that PRETEND to be individual liberty as a cover for tyranny of the majority.

 

[timtofly]

The half that's all of it.

As opposed to the half that PRETEND to be individual liberty as a cover for tyranny of the majority.

As opposed to the tyranny of the minority?

 

[Zack]

As opposed to the tyranny of the minority?

Allowing gay people to get married is tyrannical?

 

[Evie]

As opposed to equal treatment for minorities.

The notion that having to let other people do something - something that doesn't affect you - is tyranny is complete and total bovine manure. Heck, it's downright Orwellian. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength and equality is tyranny.

 

[timtofly]

Allowing gay people to get married is tyrannical?

Going against someone's will is always tyrannical if there is a government who forces you to do things that you do not want to do.

 

[Evie]

Going against someone's will is always tyrannical if there is a government who forces you to do things that you do not want to do.

Assume gay marriage is legalized.

What, exactly, as a non-gay person, are you being forced to do?
Are you being forced to marry gay people?
Are you being forced to perform a gay marriage?

Where is the government coercing you into doing anything?

 

[Zack]

Going against someone's will is always tyrannical if there is a government who forces you to do things that you do not want to do.

What if I don't want to pay my taxes or if I want to murder someone?

 

[Leonel]

This government has been a tyranny since they've forced good God-fearing business owners to serve black people. As it says in the Bible; "You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material." Leviticus 19:19

 

[timtofly]

Assume gay marriage is legalized.

What, exactly, as a non-gay person, are you being forced to do?
Are you being forced to marry gay people?
Are you being forced to perform a gay marriage?

Where is the government coercing you into doing anything?

My will to have a conscious choice in the matter. A gay couple allegedly has no choice in the matter, but taking away my choices or will does not create equality for any party involved. If that were the case, then there would be no governmental need to enforce it. Equality is a strawman. Tyranny is also a strawman.

What if I don't want to pay my taxes or if I want to murder someone?

Are you looking for an excuse to be tyrannical?

This government has been a tyranny since they've forced good God-fearing business owners to serve black people. As it says in the Bible; "You shall keep my statutes. You shall not let your cattle breed with a different kind. You shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor shall you wear a garment of cloth made of two kinds of material." Leviticus 19:19

So the North should have lost the civil war?

 

[Zack]

Tyranny is, by definition, "cruel and oppressive". It is not, however, synonymous with "doing something I disagree with".

My will to have a conscious choice in the matter. A gay couple allegedly has no choice in the matter, but taking away my choices or will does not create equality for any party involved. If that were the case, then there would be no governmental need to enforce it. Equality is a strawman. Tyranny is also a strawman.

This is nonsensical.

 

[Leonel]

My will to have a conscious choice in the matter. A gay couple allegedly has no choice in the matter, but taking away my choices or will does not create equality for any party involved. If that were the case, then there would be no governmental need to enforce it. Equality is a strawman. Tyranny is also a strawman.

So the North should have lost the civil war?

It was more of a joke but anyway what choice do you think you have in the matter, may I ask?