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Kavanaugh: The sky is green, with orange polka dots.
Democrats: This person is lying, and potentially heavily medicated.
Grassley: We are in the senate chamber and cannot see the sky from here. I see no evidence that he is lying.
Graham: How DARE you call this fine man a liar! SHAME on you, and a POX on all your houses!!!!
Flake: In the interest of non-partisanship, we should have the FBI investigate before we agree that the sky is green with orange polka dots.
Grassley: Well, if you insist. I'll provide the FBI with instructions.

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Grassley: The FBI is here to present their report.
Democrats: So, is the sky green with orange polka dots?
FBI: Well, it...
Grassley: It is not the FBI's job to draw conclusions, they only bring us the facts. Drawing conclusions is our job. FBI, report please, just the facts that you have ascertained.
FBI: Okay, we interviewed three hundred and twenty seven blind people, and none of them provided any evidence that the sky is not green with orange polka dots.
Republican: There it is there. Let's vote.
Democrat: What the hell? What did people who aren't blind have to say?
FBI: That was beyond the parameters we were given for this investigation.
Democrats: What? Who gave you these parameters?
Flake: Come ON! I got you your investigation and they did hundreds of interviews. Can't we all just get along?
Grassley: Mitch, you may as well just call the question. These obstructionists will never be satisfied!
 
So, do I get it right that the Democrats have the best excuse to put two more justices on the court. First, you obviously have to give Garland his deserved hearing. And then, you secondly need another one to create an uneven number again. Never gonna get a better explanation again.

But yeah, isn't this all trickery and magic? The system's gonna bend more and more until it breaks, and it probably will break at one point, since the toxicity displayed in these hearings just seem so over the top already.
 
So, do I get it right that the Democrats have the best excuse to put two more justices on the court. First, you obviously to have to give Garland his deserved hearing. And then, you secondly need another one to create an uneven number again.

But yeah, isn't this all trickery and magic? The system's gonna bend more and more until it breaks, and it probably will break at one point, since the toxicity displayed in these hearings just seem so over the top already.
If they put Garland in in place of Kavanaugh then they would have uneven numbers.
 
But they have to impeach him first for that, right? Assuming he gets elected and now I feel we have lots of unknown variables in this thought experiment...
 
Oh I didn't realize you were assuming Kavanaugh will get through the nomination process.
 
The article is very clear on the points that Kavanaugh perjured himself. Are you going to actually refute any of them or just declare the whole thing a shame and continue strawmanning us?

The article makes nothing clear, how can it be refuted, it's a collection of picked phrases which are then interpreted and then alleged to be false. The interpreted part has a lot to take issue with.

If you want to comment partisan pieces, please comment this from the "other side":

Ford has no corroborating witnesses, and even the friend she says was at the party in question has denied being there or knowing Kavanaugh at all. She doesn’t know who invited her to the party, where it took place, how she got there, or how she got home after, by her account, Kavanaugh attacked her. But the problems go beyond gaps in memory. She has offered substantially different accounts about when the attack occurred (she’s previously said it happened in the “mid Eighties,” in her “late teens,” and in the “Eighties.” Now she’s saying it happened in 1982, when she was 15) and how it occurred (her therapist’s notes conflict with her story of the attack, and she has offered different accounts about who attended the party).

"the friend she says was at the party in question has denied being there or knowing Kavanaugh at all", True of false?

"She doesn’t know who invited her to the party, where it took place, how she got there, or how she got home after, by her account, Kavanaugh attacked her." True or false?

" She has offered substantially different accounts about when the attack occurred (she’s previously said it happened in the “mid Eighties,” in her “late teens,” and in the “Eighties.”" True or false?

"her therapist’s notes conflict with her story of the attack" True or false?

"she has offered different accounts about who attended the party" True or false?

Ford's claims are plainly false. The likeliness of such a claim to sexual assault going back 30 years being false has been my issue with this from moment zero. It just couln't be proven (this is a feature) and came too conveniently on time.

Saying "you must believe the victim" leads to things such as this. Contradictory and unsupported accusations must be disbelieved.
In any decent society, society not just court, the burden of proof rests on the accuser, else arbitrary repression by the powerful will be enabled. They'd just have to get someone to accuse their target of some odious crime and it would be fair game to unload on the target.

Assange was done in in that way. Iraq, and then Libya, were destroyed in that way. Have you learned? Obviously not. You still believe that the ends justify any means.
 
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Good grief Inno, even Donald Trump isn't so pigheaded as to deny that she's credible. No wonder you put that nonsense in a spoiler.
 
I'm used to taking a stand alone here when pointing out the holes in stories. Libya in particular was not that long ago. The viagra warehouses for the rape brigades...
 
Moderator Action: I've just noticed that, with all the furore surrounding Kavanaugh's hearing, this thread has exploded to over 2400 posts, so it's more than time for a new thread.

As I got #2400, @Synsensa, would you like to do the honours?
 
"the friend she says was at the party in question has denied being there or knowing Kavanaugh at all", True of false?
False. She said she didn't recall, which is not the same as denying they exist altogether. This is a misrepresentation of the facts.
"She doesn’t know who invited her to the party, where it took place, how she got there, or how she got home after, by her account, Kavanaugh attacked her." True or false?
True. Also irrelevant.
" She has offered substantially different accounts about when the attack occurred (she’s previously said it happened in the “mid Eighties,” in her “late teens,” and in the “Eighties.”" True or false?
False
"her therapist’s notes conflict with her story of the attack" True or false?
False premise. Differing details between two accounts of events is not the same as a direct, purposeful refutation. Especially so when one side (the therapist) wasn't there and didn't read her notes back to Ford to correct.
"she has offered different accounts about who attended the party" True or false?
False
Ford's claims are plainly false.
Because why again? Making a bullet point list doesn't mean you've proven your case. Here you just strung together a bunch of things you think are inconsistencies and that the mere fact that you consider them inconsistent therefor refutes her entire story. That's not logical.

The likeliness of such a claim to sexual assault going back 30 years being false has been my issue with this from moment zero. It just couln't be proven (this is a feature) and came too conveniently on time.
Lol wut. So someone can't be trusted to remember something 3 decades because you say so? And has been pointed out multiple times, the timing of these allegations severely hurt the Democrat's chances of blocking this nomination.

..bunch of sexist rambling I cut...

Assange was done in in that way.
OH so this is what we're really talking about.
 
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