Same is true for Cre, if i need resis from 2nd ring it's really good. If not we could get into a discussion how important cheaper libraries are, in all games. Or Fin, if i start with corn, cows and copper where will i get an extra early commerce from? This topic can be bended much, but will always come down to playstyle. If somebody prefers expansion over wonders, they will rate Ind lower. If Lain i.e. talked about how much he prefers other traits over Ind, and then goes ahead and builds GLH or Pyras in many games, i question that. It's why i called this one trend, i know that many follow his games, and i wonder how different things would be if he advocated pro-Ind.