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[GS] Sweden Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by bite, Jan 15, 2019.

  1. Steamboat Willem

    Steamboat Willem Warlord

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    You could put your Caroleans 2-3 tiles back from the border on a road, so when your neighbor invades they can't get the first attack in, but the Caroleans will still get most of their bonus when they counter attack.
     
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  2. UWHabs

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    They start with 3 moves. Add Logistics and a GG, and suddenly you have a 5-move unit that could get up to a +15 attack bonus. I could also definitely see them being one civ where I actually want to bring a Military Engineer with me, since a strategically placed road could give them an extra +3 or +6 attack bonus if placed carefully.
     
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  3. Denkt

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    Sweden really simply need to earn great people, which type is less of an importance. The only bonuses Sweden have to earn great people if the nobel prize and the bonuses from factories and universities.

    I think one of the strongest play for Sweden is an aggressive early game so great general seems like a good option and encampments may be more important with the strategic resources anyway.

    Great works and wonders can be captured so you can have your unique ability without needing to invest Heavy into theater Squares even if that is a good investment due to simply getting great person Points towards three great persons.

    Why do you think they are overpowered?
     
  4. Sagax

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    With the Industrial era start - maybe. Don’t expect any of the major bonuses come into play earlier than Renaissance. If Sweden is your Ancient era neighbor - that’s free cities for you.
     
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  5. Lord Lakely

    Lord Lakely Unintentionally a feminist.

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    Sweden is balanced because they get no early game boosts. Like, if they spawn next to you, just kill them? lol.
     
  6. Steamboat Willem

    Steamboat Willem Warlord

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    The only thing you get until Education is the unique government Plaza building and some bonus diplomacy points. So it balances out.
     
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  7. UWHabs

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    The government plaza building is a Tier-2 building that replaces the other ones. So that's not coming in early at all either.
     
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  8. liv

    liv Emperor

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    She looked really cool. That was well done. Excited to try to see how this one works out.
     
  9. Emilqt

    Emilqt Chieftain

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    its a outside museum, and it work with the bonus because alot of the time open air museums are used to show surrounding nature
     
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    shaglio The Prince of Dorkness

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    She looks like 70's era Geddy Lee
     
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  11. Denkt

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    We do not know then the museum unlock as far as I know but it seems to be no later than the Renaissance.

    On paper Sweden may have some of the strongest bonuses in the game. Being able to mass produce Culture and tourism, getting several turns Worth of diplomatic favor each time it get a great person with rather easy ability to get like 12 or so people basically for free and that is not all their bonuses.

    On other hand they basically start out as a blank civ with nothing going for them, even civs such as United States who are generally considered to be late game civs have probably a stronger early game.

    However this do not mean Sweden is not hopeless in the early game, like if they can get out a few GP may allow them to get Control over the Congress in middle ages which can be quite potent and then they get the museum they can easily become the strongest Culture civ on the map if they play wide and with Culture they can get other stuff done making their late game very potent with strong ability to win whatever victory they want.
     
  12. BarbarianHunter

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    Their multiple victory condition path. In single player they strike me as exceptional, frankly, at either domination, science, or culture. Rationale: Early game domination is relatively easy, so no bonuses are of no matter. When those GP points, auto-theming, and unique improvement kick in they should blast off to a T3 govt, etc...faster than the rest of the board can cope with it.

    That anti-cav unit actually looks interesting as well.
    See above.
    See above.
     
  13. Larsenex

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    Wow. She seems a bit op for Science! I am really looking forward to GS!
     
  14. Denkt

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    However the early game matters usually alot more and Sweden is probably the absolute weakest civ at the start of the game which counters their late game potential. Sweden still need a good early game without having bonuses to really make advantage of their late game but if they can have a good early game their late game is perhaps the strongest of any civ in the game.
     
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  15. Eagle Pursuit

    Eagle Pursuit Scir-Gerefa

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    To be frank, I don't think Sweden is OP.

    Canada is as good for Culture mass production as they are. Both can get 10 Culture from their respective 1-per-city improvements.

    Russia and Kongo can generate more GWAM points.

    And Scotland can generate more Great Scientist and Engineer points.
     
  16. Jewman

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    Also Tier III promotion Redeploy gives +1 movement. They could be monsters.
     
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    Welp, I guess we can finally kiss the idea of "Line infantry" in this expansion good-bye. :p
     
  18. Jewman

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    the +4 culture to hockey rinks from being next to a stadium is a huge precondition. the swedish UI has a simple precondition and much easier to spam (at full value). Not to mention the +1 culture per tundra/ice tile for canada means its only good for tundra, the open air museum is good everywhere
     
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  19. Denkt

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    How much tourism do the hockey rink provide?
     
  20. ezzlar

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    Everything is fairly late game. No unique district and no unique building (except the one of a kind). Anti cavalry is weak to melee and the usefulness of getting an anti cavalry as UU is small since they dont require resources anyway.

    And Skansen as UI. http://www.skansen.se/en/this-is-skansen
     
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