Swift-boating a 12-year old.

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ABC News' Rick Klein Reports: With debate raging in Washington over children's health insurance, congressional Democrats found a new way to make their case for an expansion last weekend: Rather than have a senator or a congressman respond to President Bush's weekly radio address, they decided to have a child who was helped by the program speak directly to the public.

But the 12-year-old boy whom Democrats chose as their poster child is now at the center of a firestorm in Washington and beyond. Conservative bloggers who uncovered some details of the family's finances are blasting the family, calling the fact that they rely on federal insurance an example of how the State Children's Health Insurance Program has expanded beyond its original intent.

According to Senate Democratic aides, some bloggers have made repeated phone calls to the home of 12-year-old Graeme Frost, demanding information about his family's private life. On Monday, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid accused GOP leadership aides of "pushing falsehood" in an effort to distract from the political battle over S-CHIP.

"This is a perverse distraction from the issue at hand," said Jim Manley, a spokesman for Reid, D-Nev. "Instead of debating the merits of providing health care to children, some in GOP leadership and their right-wing friends would rather attack a 12-year-old boy and his sister who were in a horrific car accident."

Manley cited an e-mail sent to reporters by a Senate Republican leadership aide, summing up recent blog traffic about the boy's family. A spokesman for Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., declined to comment on Manley's charge that GOP aides were complicit in spreading disparaging information about Frosts.

In making the case for a proposed expansion of the S-CHIP program, Democrats found a boy who seemed like an ideal poster child in Graeme Frost, a Baltimore native whose family does not have private health insurance.

When Graeme and his sister were seriously injured in a 2004 car crash, their parents relied on S-CHIP coverage to help them recover. After House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office became aware of the Frosts through a healthcare interest group, FamiliesUSA, Democratic leaders turned to Graeme to deliver the party's weekly radio address Sept. 29.

"If it weren't for CHIP, I might not be here today," Frost said in the address, which was written by Senate Democratic aides. "We got the help we needed because we had health insurance for us through the CHIP program. But there are millions of kids out there who don't have CHIP, and they wouldn't get the care that my sister and I did if they got hurt."

But after a largely positive story about Frost appeared in the Baltimore Sun, conservative-leaning bloggers began focusing on details of Frost's family situation. They suggested the family makes the conservative argument -- that the children's health insurance program has strayed from its original purpose by subsidizing healthcare for middle-class families, not just poor children.

A blogger on FreeRepublic.com discovered that Frost and his sister, Gemma, attend a private school where tuition costs $20,000 a year. Their father, Halsey, is a self-employed woodworker, meaning that if his family doesn’t have health insurance, it’s because Halsey Frost -- as his own boss -- chooses not to purchase it for himself.

"One has to wonder that if time and money can be found to remodel a home, send kids to exclusive private schools, purchase commercial property and run your own business . . . maybe money can be found for other things," a blogger with the handle "icwhatudo" wrote on FreeRepublic.

That posting was widely circulated in the blogosphere, making great fodder for conservatives who argue that President Bush was right to veto the Democrats’ bill expanding S-CHIP.

"People make choices and it's clear the Frosts have made choice to invest in property and a business, but not in private health insurance," Mark Tapscott, editorial page editor of The Washington Examiner, wrote on his blog.

But Manley say conservative bloggers didn't dig deep enough. It turns out that the Frost children attend Baltimore’s Park School on near-full scholarships; they pay roughly $500 per child per year in tuition, he said.

Like many small-business owners, Halsey Frost can't even afford to provide health insurance to himself, Manley said.

"Last year, the Frost's made $45,000 combined," Manley said. "Over the past few years they have made no more than $50,000 combined depending on Halsey's ability to find work."

The Frost family did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

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:lol: At long last have they no shame.

Topics for discussion:

Are Republicans shameless/heartless?

Who wins politically?

Did Dems exploit this kid?

What is the republican position on this anyway? If the father actually made 100K/yr and chose not to buy health insurance should we let the kids die? Or just let the hospital eat the cost in a subsequent bankrupcy?

Who should pay to take care of the brain damaged sister? If the state does is that not socialism?
 
Are Republicans shameless/heartless?
Are Democrats traitorous cowards with the intelligence of a housefly? Same answer.* Think carefully now....;)

Who wins politically?
Everyone loses.

Did Dems exploit this kid?
We don't have enough information to decide.

What is the republican position on this anyway? If the father actually made 100K/yr and chose not to buy health insurance should we let the kids die? Or just let the hospital eat the cost in a subsequent bankrupcy?
What's the Democratic position on this, if they really are well-off? That the government should give rich people free stuff if they're too lazy to buy it themselves?

Who should pay to take care of the brain damaged sister? If the state does is that not socialism?[/QUOTE
Private charities? The state, not federal government, even?




*The answer to both questions is no. I thought you could use the hint. ;)
 
You'd think the Democrats would have done a better job here. Why pick some kid who's family makes close to $50,000 a year when there are kids out there who are indeed poor. But then again, people like me would just say "that's what medicare is for."

Scholarship or not, there is no reason why tax payers should shoulder the burden of a self employed wood worker making close to 50G's a year for his childrens healthcare.

Poor candidate for the commercial.
 
The Democrats' use of a 12-year-old in this speech is as appalling as the Republicans' use of a disabled veteran of the war in Iraq to push "not cutting and running" in a television commercial.
 
What about Michael J Fox saying stem cell research cold cure his disease?
 
What about Michael J Fox saying stem cell research cold cure his disease?

Borderline. There's a difference (in my mind, at least) between someone campaigning for some particular issue using their own circumstance as a highlight, and someone campaigning for some particular issue finding a mediagenic trophy to use.

But, you do have a point. Michael J Fox, Cindy Sheehan, John Walsh, Carolyn McCarthy, Suzanna Hupp - these are all people that have had something bad happen to them, and as a result push for changes that (they think) will help mitigate future occurances. I think that there's a vast difference between doing it yourself and finding a pawn that you hope will make your case for you because people will be emotionally cowed by it.

All that said, it is a very fuzzy line, and one that has an intersection (in my mind) of attempting to beat a fly with a hammer - for (exaggerated) example, the person whose child drowned in a pool seeking to have pools banned in their town, as opposed to seeking to educate parents on the dangers of having small children in the home and pools in the backyard.
 
I'm going to leave the country before i die unless Barack Obama get elected. This is just sickening. Both sides are incredibly heinous and obnoxious. I liked the democrats before they got power. I guess it's true power corrupts.
 
Totally not fair. A 12 year old vs all of Free Republic, now we're talking.

They're crowing about how they "uncovered the Democrat lies." IT'S THE NEXT RATHERGATE!!!!!!!!
 
Borderline. There's a difference (in my mind, at least) between someone campaigning for some particular issue using their own circumstance as a highlight, and someone campaigning for some particular issue finding a mediagenic trophy to use.

But, you do have a point. Michael J Fox, Cindy Sheehan, John Walsh, Carolyn McCarthy, Suzanna Hupp - these are all people that have had something bad happen to them, and as a result push for changes that (they think) will help mitigate future occurances. I think that there's a vast difference between doing it yourself and finding a pawn that you hope will make your case for you because people will be emotionally cowed by it.

All that said, it is a very fuzzy line, and one that has an intersection (in my mind) of attempting to beat a fly with a hammer - for (exaggerated) example, the person whose child drowned in a pool seeking to have pools banned in their town, as opposed to seeking to educate parents on the dangers of having small children in the home and pools in the backyard.

The single uniform attribute to all of those people is that they are untouchable victims. The Democrats and the media find these people, and they trump them up because of this. Who's gonna criticize a Parkinson's victim? Who's gonna criticize the CHILDREN! Who's gonna criticize a mother who's lost her son in Iraq (Remember Maureen Dowd's comments.) It's so easy. Not only does it trigger an emotional response amongst the people, but you can then turn around and create a monster out of anybody that criticizes the victim. It's funny, because Guliani can't campaign on 9-11, but Democrats and the media use tactics like this, using their own victims to sway support, all the time.
 
The Democrats' use of a 12-year-old in this speech is as appalling as the Republicans' use of a disabled veteran of the war in Iraq to push "not cutting and running" in a television commercial.
Well said.

What about Michael J Fox saying stem cell research cold cure his disease?
I see that as pretty different. No one's using him and its something that he is dealing with directly.

Here are a couple things that I find troubling:
*nitwit celebrities who have no idea what they're talking about blathering on about issue XYZ
*politicians, of all stripes, using their families as political props. I'll give 2 examples, 1 from either side for balance. Gore's whole thing about his family member (was it a sister? aunt?) who died of lung cancer blah blah blah while his family acquired a lot of wealth from tobacco farming. And Cheney's trotting out his wife and daughter as so much window decoration while decrying gay rights, THEN claims righteous indignation when democrats point out the hypocrisy given his daughter is *gasp* gay! Both cases show politicians using their families for mercenary work and I find it extremely distasteful.

(forgive me if I didn't get 100% on get the Gore/Cheney stuff, I'm doing this from quick memory, if the facts become at issue, then I can waste some time verifying it, I just hope people see my larger point)
 
The actor, who suffers from Parkinson's disease, has done a series of political ads supporting candidates who favor stem cell research, including Maryland Democrat Ben Cardin, who is running against Republican Michael Steele for the Senate seat being vacated by Paul Sarbanes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102400691.html

I think what Shane meant was that MJFox was old enough to decide whether or not he wants to support a political candidate, as opposed to a 12yo... Thus he is not being used.

Plus, you can't blame him for supporting candidates that support stem cell research. It's not as if he was not consistent.
 
The actor, who suffers from Parkinson's disease, has done a series of political ads supporting candidates who favor stem cell research, including Maryland Democrat Ben Cardin, who is running against Republican Michael Steele for the Senate seat being vacated by Paul Sarbanes.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/24/AR2006102400691.html

So, who's using him when he goes into political ads for candidates? Is he not allowed to do that because of his disease?
 
So, who's using him when he goes into political ads for candidates? Is he not allowed to do that because of his disease?

I think his allegation is crap tbh. Stem cells may or may not contain the possible cure for his disease, but its really beyond the pale to make the allegation for political reasons. Its like Edwards making the comment about Christopher Reeve not being able to walk because republicans are anti-stem cell research. Hell, most republicans I know are pro the curing of such diseases; but that such research should be done via private companies...not dictated by the US government.
 
I think what Shane meant was that MJFox was old enough to decide whether or not he wants to support a political candidate, as opposed to a 12yo... Thus he is not being used.

Plus, you can't blame him for supporting candidates that support stem cell research. It's not as if he was not consistent.

Yep, thx for being a voice of reason.
 
I think his allegation is crap tbh. Stem cells may or may not contain the possible cure for his disease, but its really beyond the pale to make the allegation for political reasons. Its like Edwards making the comment about Christopher Reeve not being able to walk because republicans are anti-stem cell research. Hell, most republicans I know are pro the curing of such diseases; but that such research should be done via private companies...not dictated by the US government.

You might be right about that, but what does that have to do with Michael J. Fox campaigning for certain candidates? He's still allowed to do that, he's allowed to say what he think's is true, it's the voters' job to wonder if it's true or not, and vote whatever way they want.
 
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