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Swiss voters take hard line on asylum and immigration

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Swiss voters have overwhelmingly approved tougher regulations on asylum seekers as well as new limits on immigration for people from outside the European Union.

But an initiative to prop up the country's ailing old-age pension scheme with profits from the National Bank failed to win a majority at the ballot box.

Around 68 per cent of voters endorsed amended laws on asylum and immigration in Sunday's vote, according to official results. All 26 cantons were also behind the measures, which were approved last year by parliament.

The United Nations Refugee Agency, which had criticised the new asylum legislation, said the Switzerland's laws would now be among the toughest in Europe.

The staunchest supporters of the new laws were in rural areas of German-speaking central and eastern Switzerland. The majorities in French-speaking regions were lower, as is normally the case with votes pertaining to foreigners.

Turnout was above average at 48 per cent.


Implementation
A coalition of centre-left parties, trade unions, churches and aid organisations had forced the vote, arguing that the reforms went against Switzerland's humanitarian tradition.

But they failed to undermine the government's argument that harsher measures against asylum abuses were necessary to avoid social tension and provide protection for those fleeing persecution.

The government said it was pleased with the outcome of the vote.

"It is not my victory, but it is an important decision," said Justice Minister Christoph Blocher, who was at the forefront of the reform.

He added that the new measures would be strictly implemented and without delay.

Opponents of the reform, led by former Interior Minister Ruth Dreifuss, did not hide their displeasure.

"We are disappointed but not discouraged," Dreifuss said, adding that she hoped for a humane application of the new laws.

Pension fund
The pension fund proposal was rejected by over 58 per cent of voter and all but three cantons, Geneva, Basel City and Ticino.

Finance Minister Hans-Rudolf Merz said a clear majority of voters had obviously understood that the plan by the centre-left Social Democrats and the trade unions was not sustainable and failed to tackle the structural problems of the state old age pension system.

However, Rudolf Rechsteiner, a Social Democratic parliamentarian who was the driving force behind the initiative, said he would not give up the fight despite Sunday's defeat. He vowed to block any efforts by to weaken the main pillar of Switzerland's social security system.

The proponents wanted to use part of the annual profits of the National Bank to plug expected shortfalls in the state pension scheme, which is facing huge deficits because of the country's ageing population.

Currently the money is divided between the country's 26 cantons (two-thirds), and the federal government.

The cabinet also pledged to contribute SFr7 billion ($5.66 billion) from the one-off sale of excess gold reserves to the old-age pension benefits.

the new law said:
Asylum applicants who cannot produce identity papers within 48 hours without a credible reason are automatically excluded. Rejected asylum seekers are barred from regular welfare benefits and qualify only for food and shelter.

Rejected asylum seekers who refuse to leave the country face prison terms of up to two years.

The amended law on foreigners limits immigration for citizens outside the European Union and the European Free Trade Association (Efta) to highly skilled labour.

It also aims to encourage integration, in particular by language courses, while cracking down on human trafficking and marriages of convenience.

Under a bilateral treaty agreed with Brussels, EU citizens are not subject to immigration restrictions. But there is a sizeable community of people from Balkan countries and Turkey living in Switzerland.

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personally, I think it's a bad decision, IMHO immigrants have always been an enrichment to our culture, but I guess I'll have to accept it.

what's ironic is that I read just this morning that applications for asylum in 2005 were the lowest since 19 years. so we tighten the laws, because there are so few applications? :crazyeye:
 
Article said:
The staunchest supporters of the new laws were in rural areas of German-speaking central and eastern Switzerland.
I always figured asylum seekers would be concentrated in urban areas. Assuming this is correct, it would explain why the actual number of applications doesn't matter much.
 
Till said:
I always figured asylum seekers would be concentrated in urban areas. Assuming this is correct, it would explain why the actual number of applications doesn't matter much.
yeah that might be it. rural areas have the lowest density of foreigners, they also usually seem to have the largest number of hardliners right down to actual racists and neonazis. pretty ironic really, since areas with high foreign population (like basel with about 30%) barely have any of those around, and only barely approved of this law. I guess it's the old "you fear what you don't know" thing ...
 
Good decision. Asylum is there for people who genuinely need help, not for economic migrants. If they want to come to Switzerland, or Europe for that matter, they should have other options than applying for asylum and making stories about their oppression back home.

Under a bilateral treaty agreed with Brussels, EU citizens are not subject to immigration restrictions. But there is a sizeable community of people from Balkan countries and Turkey living in Switzerland.

Excellent.
 
immigration = good
too much immigration = bad
 
Good for the Swiz, and an great example why direct democracy works better than the representative version in these cases.
 
Winner said:
Excellent.
I for one don't really make a distinction between non-EU 'foreigners' and and EU citizens that aren't acutal neighbours, so it doesn't really matter to me if someone is from the balkans or czechia for instance.
Furthermore the new law doesn't do much about immigrants from turkey and the balkans, since they wouldn't come as refugees anyway. the asylum thingy mainly targets refugees from africa.
for what it's worth switzerland didn't grant economic asylum before this law either.
 
AceChilla said:
Good for the Swiz, and an great example why direct democracy works better than the representative version in these cases.
actually direct democracy had no influence on this. this law was enacted by parliament. so in a representative democracy it would have been just set in place without vote. since several organisations went for a referendum the people got to decide if they want to overrule the parliament (which they didn't)

Steph said:
Try to listen to Fernand Raynaud "Restons Français"
can't find anything about it, except that he's a french humorist/actor and "Restons Français" is a sketch by him. care to give me the cliff notes of the sketch?
 
KaeptnOvi said:
can't find anything about it, except that he's a french humorist/actor and "Restons Français" is a sketch by him. care to give me the cliff notes of the sketch?
It's in a small village. A man whose familly has lived there for generation is complaigning about the new foreigner who has come to the village recently. "Pour manger le pain des français" (to eat the bread of the French = to use the welfare system without contributing, so the French lose it for themselves). They have strange names, they have strange customs... And they come "Pour manger le pain des français" (repeated several times). So, at the end, being not welcoming at all, unfriendly, etc. they force him to leave.
And the conclusion is: "Now, we don't have bread anymore. He was the baker"
 
As someone who has migrated to Switzerland from outside the efta region, I support the referendum result.

I came here 6 years ago and have made a real effort to integrate. All of our friends are Swiss and I avoid the English speaking expat community - they are real bad news. i've learnt the language to a functional level, I play in a local music group and have been part of the largest Fastnacht in the German speaking world for the past 4 years. In 3.5 years, I will pass their citizenship test easily. It's not hard to do it just requires you to get of your arse and 'ave a go.
 
plarq said:
too much= - too few
so good - bad = too few
too much = - too few --> much = - few
1,000,000 € = much
1 € = few

So 1,000,000 € = -1 €
OK...
I'm ready to give you 1 € (-1 for me), and you give me back 1,000,000 €.

much = - few is false!!!
 
KaeptnOvi said:
actually direct democracy had no influence on this. this law was enacted by parliament. so in a representative democracy it would have been just set in place without vote. since several organisations went for a referendum the people got to decide if they want to overrule the parliament (which they didn't)

Well at least the Swiz had a change to show their opinion in a referendum. That is not even possible in many countries, and in my mind leads to the big difference in the opinion on immigration between politicians and the population we can see in many European countries today.
 
KaeptnOvi said:
I for one don't really make a distinction between non-EU 'foreigners' and and EU citizens that aren't acutal neighbours, so it doesn't really matter to me if someone is from the balkans or czechia for instance.
Furthermore the new law doesn't do much about immigrants from turkey and the balkans, since they wouldn't come as refugees anyway. the asylum thingy mainly targets refugees from africa.
for what it's worth switzerland didn't grant economic asylum before this law either.

I was talking in general. The Czech experience is that about 90% of asylum seekers here are just economic migrants who got caught.

I prefer EU countries setting up some criteria for people we need - define what professions we need, how many people we need and from what countries we want them preferably. These people would apply for work permits in their home countries and then they would come to Europe legally.

As of now, they keep coming illegaly, when they get caught they apply for asylum, and even if they don't get it, they hide long enough to get amnesty, which is what happened in Spain, for example. Also people, who genuinely need asylum are then put together with people who only abuse it. That's not right.
 
warmonger said:
As someone who has migrated to Switzerland from outside the efta region, I support the referendum result.

I came here 6 years ago and have made a real effort to integrate. All of our friends are Swiss and I avoid the English speaking expat community - they are real bad news. i've learnt the language to a functional level, I play in a local music group and have been part of the largest Fastnacht in the German speaking world for the past 4 years. In 3.5 years, I will pass their citizenship test easily. It's not hard to do it just requires you to get of your arse and 'ave a go.
Personally, I fully support integrating immigrants as well, but I'm unsure whether the new law will really encourage this. it mainly restricts non-eu immigration to 'high-skilled' people. whether or not they are willing to integrate wasn't really the main issue.
FWIW, my opposition was mainly towards the asylum-law, the immigration-law is less 'bad' IMHO, but I still voted against it :)

on another note: when you say that you've been part of the largest fasnacht in the german speaking world, I hope you were referring to the basler fasnacht, or else..... ;)

@Steph: :lol: that argument sounds very familiar. I tried looking for it in youtube, but I guess youtube is not really francophone (and from what I read in the wiki article it must be an older sketch, I guess) :)
 
KaeptnOvi said:
on another note: when you say that you've been part of the largest fasnacht in the german speaking world, I hope you were referring to the basler fasnacht, or else..... ;)


Is there any other that even comes close? :D
 
warmonger said:
Is there any other that even comes close? :D
indubitably. I was just thinking that maybe you're one of these lucerne whackos who claim their sorry excuse for fasnacht to be the biggest ;)
 
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