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Switzerland vs the world

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by really, Feb 10, 2014.

  1. bugwar

    bugwar Emperor

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    Sorry to hear that your local culture, values, and way of life means so little to you.

    As for dangers, if the resident population doesn't halt unlimited immigration, they have a good chance of becoming a quaint historical note.

    Ask the American Indians how being flooded with foreigners worked out for them.
     
  2. Borachio

    Borachio Way past lunacy

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    Well. I think you've misunderstood what I've said in the very post you quote.

    It's all there, right in front of you.
     
  3. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    That is a very fictitious image of how immigration works. It seems you removed yourself fully to ReikLand Reikiland in WH :/
     
  4. bugwar

    bugwar Emperor

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    From the article:

    The Swiss People's Party called Sunday for swift action to prevent a mass influx of foreigners to Switzerland this summer, when a temporary limit on immigration from eight Eastern European countries expires.
    The demand comes a week after Swiss voters narrowly backed the party's plan to cap immigration for all types of foreigners, including those from the European Union, within three years.
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    Swiss Justice Minister Simonetta Sommaruga warned after the referendum that her country would be unable to extend the free movement of workers agreement to Croatia, the EU's newest member, as planned.
    She officially informed the Croatian government of this in a phone call Saturday.


    Source: http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/swiss-nationalists-swift-limit-immigration-22537972
     
  5. Rashiminos

    Rashiminos Fool Prophet

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    Those are some really interesting posters.:sad:
     
  6. ori

    ori Repair Guy Super Moderator

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    and the first ones in Switzerland to feel the fallout will be scientists and students apparently...

    Especially in Science its the start of a new 7-year founding period for EU grants - missing the start even is going to hurt badly if its not resolved soon (submission deadlines are coming around starting next month).
     
  7. bugwar

    bugwar Emperor

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    What can I say?

    Most Swiss don't want to repeat the experience of the American Indians and lose their culture and way of life to foreigners. :goodjob:
     
  8. Grisu

    Grisu Draghetto Retired Moderator

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    those are typical SVP propaganda posters and don't necessarily reflect the feelings of the majority of switzerland.
     
  9. Rashiminos

    Rashiminos Fool Prophet

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    I think Grisu said it better.
     
  10. Verbose

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    I agree one probably shouldn't overdramatise the whole situation.

    But still, just a tad...:)

    Looked at in a certain way, there might be a question if there's really much point in coming to any agreement with a Swiss government? One way for the outside to deal with the Swiss in the future might after all to simply request the Swiss hold referendums BEFORE an agreement is signed. It would be more expedient to rather deal with a fully mandated democractically elected government, which tends to be the situation elsewhere, but this might simply not be at hand in Switzerland, it would seem?

    The Swiss are kind of protective of their sovereignty. Fine. And the direct democracy referendums seem an important part of it, symbolically and practically. Also fine. But given that, it might still find that for instance the EU might decide for them that Switzerland is going to have to use these mechanisms a lot more often, and not merely at Swiss discretion.:scan:

    The situation has at least led to a net loss of clarity and transparency regarding Switzerland. From a very high level admittedly, but still.
     
  11. useless

    useless Social Justice Rogue

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    Not even comparable.
     
  12. Grisu

    Grisu Draghetto Retired Moderator

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    If you must :p

    That's true, but isn't that (maybe to a lesser degree) true of any democratic country? For example a while back, the Swiss government agreed to a deal with the german government regarding taxes. Swiss parliamanet ratified the treaty, but in the end the german Bundesrat declined it.
    As for Referendums before signing a deal: For most of the bilateral treaties were indeed votes on before they became active.

    But even then a succesful referendum isn't an assurance that a treaty won't be cancelled at a later date as we have seen with this vote..if they want that they'd have to include a minimum treaty lifetime into it.

    that's certainly true :)
     

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