Syria accidentally shot down a Russian military plane

[FriendlyFire]

Is that a copy of the a US DC10 plane from ww2 ?
Seems like that these Russian weapons were given out to Hezbolla which is allied with Syria but enemies with Isreal that were the ones that shot down the airplane.

Syria accidentally shot down a Russian military plane

Syria antiaircraft fire downed a Russian military plane after an Israeli attack on Syrian positions, killing 15 people on board, Moscow said.
Russian state media said Syrian missiles shot the maritime patrol aircraft down amid an attack by Israeli jets in the Latakia region of northwest Syria.
Moscow blamed Israel for putting its aircraft in the line of fire and said it had only a minute's notice of the strike.

According to the statement, Syrian antiaircraft batteries "fired indiscriminately and from what we understand did not bother to ensure no Russian planes were in the air."

Anti-aircraft system 'sold to Syria by Russians'

The target in Syria's Latakia coastal region that Israeli warplanes struck Monday was believed to be a facility that Iran was using to house sensitive military equipment that could be assembled into weapons, and then transferred to Lebanese Hezbollah, according to two US defense officials.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/17/politics/syrian-regime-shoots-down-russian-plane/index.html

 

[Old Hippy]

latest reports have Russia blaming Israel again

“The Israeli military command either does not value the current level of relations with Russia or does not control certain military units,” Konashenkov said Sunday, according to Russian media.

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-russia-israel-20180923-story.html

apparently the jet was using the Russian plane to hide from radar... but the Syrians fired anyway...

According to the Russian Defense Ministry, the military aircraft was shot down before landing at the Hmeimim air base. An Israeli military officer misled the Russians by reporting that four of its F-16 fighter jets would be hitting Syrian targets in the north, the Russian Defense Ministry spokesman said. In fact, the Israeli jets were in Latakia, in Syria’s west, and used the Russian Il-20 as a shield to bypass Syrian government forces’ radar systems, the spokesman said.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Is that a copy of the a US DC10 plane from ww2 ?
Seems like that these Russian weapons were given out to Hezbolla which is allied with Syria but enemies with Isreal that were the ones that shot down the airplane.

The DC-10 is a big trimotor commercial jet from the 70-80s, there is not DC-10 plane from ww2 afaik. Maybe you meant DC-3?
The shot down plane is a maritime surveillance Ilyushin 38 which is the russian equivalent of the P-3 Orion, both militarized versions of civilian airliners from the 50-60s (Il-18 and Lockheed Electra respectively), similar to the Douglas DC-6 in any case.

 

[FriendlyFire]

apparently the jet was using the Russian plane to hide from radar... but the Syrians fired anyway...

So the Isrealie launched the strike when the Russian plane was hovering around the area of the strike.
How hard is it to spot the fast moving F16s moving out to sea vs one slow lumbering Russian Prop aircraft ?
Plus I bet the Russian plane wasnt there by chance, it was probably there to keep an eye on Isrealies and passing on intell down to the syrians

Anyways it was shot down by the Syrians

Russia said the Israeli aircraft "pushed" the Russian Ilyushin 20 (IL-20) surveillance turboprop plane into the line of fire. The ministry accused the Israeli army of "intentional provocation" and said Israel did not warn Russia of its operation in the area until one minute before the strike."Using the Russian jet as a shield, the Israeli pilots put it in the fire of Syrian air defense systems,"
The IDF statement said the Syrian missiles which downed the Russian plane were fired after the Israeli jets had already returned to Israeli airspace.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia...ssile-ilyushin-20-surveillance-plane-latakia/

 

[Old Hippy]

insert joke about Russian aircraft being shot down by everyone.

or the joke about how observant Russian Reconnaissance planes are "nothing to see here apart from the 4 Israeli F-16's following us"

 

[Thorgalaeg]

So the Isrealie launched the strike when the Russian plane was hovering around the area of the strike.
How hard is it to spot the fast moving F16s moving out to sea vs one slow lumbering Russian Prop aircraft ?
Plus I bet the Russian plane wasnt there by chance, it was probably there to keep an eye on Isrealies and passing on intell down to the syrians

Anyways it was shot down by the Syrians

In the radar screen you only see a spot. And being the electronic surveillance version (known as il-20, not the maritime surveillance version il-38, i stand corrected), so a spy plane, it probably had whatever electronic identification system they use turn off. Accidental shot downs have happened countless times in aviation history. Russia has a prestigious tradition on the matter.

 

[red_elk]

According to Russian MoD, the plane was on a landing course and Israelis warned about their attack only one minute in advance (which violates mutual agreement about prevention of air incidents). F-16 hide behind Il-20 and missile locked on larger radar signature.
Russia responds with upgrading Syrian air defenses with S-300. Originally the plan was to send these systems in 2017, but the project was cancelled after agreement with Israel.

 

[Silurian]

Seems like that these Russian weapons were given out to Hezbolla which is allied with Syria but enemies with Isreal that were the ones that shot down the airplane.

I doubt that Hezbollah operate Syrian SAM sites in northern Syria. I would be surprised if members of Hezbollah are not attached to some Syrian air defence units for training purposes, as is the case with many other countries.

I don't know how good the Syrian radars would be at distinguishing the Russian aircraft from the Israeli aircraft shadowing it but there has been a long history of the wrong aircraft being shot down. Even when an aircraft can be clearly seen they get shoot down, such as the Dutch airliner over the Ukraine by the Russians or the Iranian airliner shot down by the USA.

I would assume that the S-300 system that the Russians are now going to supply to the Syrians will be better at countering this IDF tactic and so prevent more of their own aircraft being shot down.

We also have to hope that others do not follow the IDFs example leading to other aircraft being shot down including civilian airliners.

 

[r16]

it's the Syrian war tradition . Russians win something , in this case forcing New Turkey to extract some beardies from their prepared positions without fighting them and incidentally postponing the fight just a little more . West gets insulted , it sees to one Russian plane downed . Russians scared of WW III do not except skulk and find innovative answers . So the next time they win something another plane of theirs will go down . You would like never know if the lead Israeli plane just fired a Python 5 at the Russian as a test to see whether the warhead is big enough .