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Syria shoots down F-16

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Tigranes, Feb 11, 2018.

  1. Tigranes

    Tigranes Armenian

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    Actually something else happened the very same day. An American drone destroyed a Russian-made T-72 battle tank operating in eastern Syria on Saturday, according to the U.S. military's command unit responsible for forces in the Middle East -- which added the strike was in "self defense." No U.S or allied troops were hurt in the incident, but three people inside the tank were killed by a U.S. MQ-9 Reaper drone, a defense official told Fox News on Tuesday. The strike was the second by the U.S. against “pro-regime” forces since Wednesday, according to the U.S. military’s Central Command. The U.S. airstrike took place the same day an Iranian drone was shot down over Israel on Saturday, prompting a counter-attack by the Israeli Air Force into Syria against Iranian and regime targets. And then Israeli F-16 was shot down during that mission, and it crash landed inside Israeli territory.

    Do you follow? I myself am having trouble to reconstruct the timeline of events and what led to what. At this point I get confused who is fighting whom and under what pretext. Before Syria I never seen such a mess, even during Lebanon's civil war. Too many factions...
     
  2. red_elk

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    It's hard to say what exactly happened there, but I can confirm there were casualties among Russian PMC contractors. 4 names are known, they were part of so-called "ISIS hunters" group. It appears that their group went into SDF-controlled area without air support. Americans claimed that they contacted Russian military before airstrike.
     
  3. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    So why make this apparent alliance with him, then?
     
  4. red_elk

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    I don't see alliance here, it looks more like a cease-fire. Pro-Turkish rebels still control parts of Syria, the only thing which has changed is that Erdogan abandoned plans to depose Assad and joined Russia-mediated peace talks.

    He also seems to be very angry at the USA for supporting Kurds and threatens to attack pro-American Kurds in Manbij. Obviously, Russia and Iran don't mind if he does it. And generally, with ISIS almost defeated it is becoming increasingly difficult for the USA to explain what they are doing in Syria. Except for controlling oilfields in the Eastern part of the country.
     
  5. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    So it's more a situation of Russia and Turkey having common enemies than a real alliance then?
     
  6. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    What else is new ?
    I just wish Ivan wouldnt sell its nuclear tech to poor 3rd world countries, you just know its is a bad idea and it will end badly.

    Honestly I think US should just withdraw, leave Syria and Afghanistan for Russia to handle, Ivan will install a Military dictatorship its not the best solution but at least better then endless civil wars
     
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  7. r16

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    everybody says this is spam , this is off-topic . Absolutely wrong . In that no Western mainstream media organization is ever likely to talk about that Israel "maintains" a Jihadi presence on its borders with Syria , talk being the downing of the plane to lead to an extension of that zone to Hama and stuff . Oh my , Tel Aviv actually pays people wages . You know , that would lead to charges that America created ISIL .

    but then some people must fight 'ing evil Iranians ; because the cowards of Pentagon could not bring some heart into their trembling hearts and accept to begin the Rightful Crusade to fight 'ing evil Turks . In like a decade , too ... So Iran gained too much influence , instead of sacrificing Hizbullah (for a buffer zone along the border with Iraq) they even gained an officially controllable land connection . Give or take . As such America wasted a grand opportunity to stab us Turks in the back with the Congregation ; there will be no need to explain anything at all , when firing squads start lining people in front of walls . As such the fighting against the Kurds covers a much "desirable" New Turkey advance into Idlip . Which might lead to clashes with the Shia , in addition to what has already happened . And because the glorious Jihadi hordes like always run away from the Shia ... because the Shia have no American advisors and thus can not be regularly ambushed or caught pants down by the Sunnis ... we now hear the seperatists shout Shia slogans when engaging the Army of Petrol .

    spam ? Not at all , despite however hard this might be to believe . ı truly won't be lifting a finger to assist America and the West and the Rest in their fight against Iran . Now that am nothing at all . Much at home at ranting at stuff though , naturally . Take "Hülya Koçyiğit and just a few are not traitors" committee . This was a New Turkey thing when seperatists were our brothers . Like 50(?) people , famous or non famous , creating a medium of discussion so that A-K-P could paint an idea that those now dead Turkish Army or Police or civilians who fell in the decades long affair against the seperatists were not "martyrs" . Because it clicks right on with America's designs that the Republic of 1923 will be destroyed thus the Republic of 1923 can not have martyrs . Koçyiğit is a big name in the Turkish cinema . She is of course entitled to have political opinions of her own , she is of course free to think the current situation is better than the past . True story or something ... Being a star requires physical care and all that . They were like 4 or 5 women , famous in the 60s or 70s and best brands / or maybe the only merchandise of make up stuff would arrive in one single shop in Istanbul and the owner could not make a choice ; so whoever got to the shop first on the day was stocked for the next couple of months . She is actually 100% right to think the situation in the Southeast was regularly inflamed for political gain .


    and then the winds changed . America was doing great , with A-K-P , Congregation , seperatists , liberals , the so called Kemalists , whatever , like everyone arrayed against the Republic of 1923 . With nothing happening against , right ? Ankara repeatedly failed to move and do stuff . Remember the Phantom shot down by the Syrians ? Article 5 , Article 5 ! Instead of dutifully going to war against anyone opposing stuff , Ankara demands Washington to fight in its name , as much as America fights in the name of the Oil Sheiks and Oil Kings ... America covets its doom is a very difficult thing to understand , so mysterious , even when said by Americans , hence America thinks stuff must happen . So make the seperatists acceptable , they order them to be pro-Turkish , which goes against PM's plans for after the Republic of 1923 . Once again those who are killed by the seperatists become martyrs . A-K-P was once reported to have an army of 6 000 trolls . They troll anyone Party needs to be trolled . Because the Party strategy needs a claim that they will clear some 700 kilometers of the Syrian border , they have to really make people forget that those 700 kilometers were like captured by the seperatists under the watch of A-K-P . Oh my , that committee is now traitorious . As if it wasn't a Party created , Party managed Party tool . Orhan Gencebay , a member , works the kinda easy way . While it's entirely possible that financial disagreements might be a factor he quits his position in a copyright institution . His letter of resignation sparks a row with a friend of his over 50 years , because Gencebay apparently wanted the board meetings videotaped and online so that he could prove he wasn't "conspiring" with the Alevis and the Kurds . Kadir Inanır , the male lead of what many consider to be the best Turkish movie ever , tries the harder tact . That he was right to join the committee and Kurds are people , too , that kind of stuff . Naturally when he has this strike or something when some air bubble to stops oxygen to his brain he is hospitalized and the first he asks when he wakes up is reported to be a query on the situation of troops in Afrin . While am not a fan of his , am not spamming , trolling or lolling in any way ; honestly . Koçyiğit , regularly talks pro-Party and ı simply change the channel but this time even she tops herself . That there's so much freedom in the country that people even talk . Why doesn't she ever consider shutting up ? Now that she was like chosen to be the face of an American initiative and the like ? Like "Idrisi Bitlisi ve Alevileri kesme üzerine kurulu bir plan" ? While not translated on a word by word basis , Bitlisi was a Kurdish "scholar" who was supposed to be the hero of New Turkey as he brought a couple of tribes to the Ottoman side after the issues of 1510s . Alevis have long opposed the Sunni Istanbul . The Republic of 1923 opted on a "milder" Sunnism to negate any possible advantages to the West when the time for reckoning came , because the European Colonialism is like dead because the evil Turk took advantage of Commies and Commies of the Turkish War of Liberation and stuff that's like too heavy . Alevis were thus like still "oppressed" but given a country ; the percentage of Alevis ready to die for Turkey is like higher than the actual percentage of Sunnis ready to do so afterall . Especially if you bring in the distinction of New Turkey . Exactly why the committe was much loved by the seperatists , as it was during the times when Iranians were arriving in Syria and stopping the Jihadis . A revitalized Damascus would never agree to a Kurdish controlled corridor to the Mediterrenean . No pipeline , no Nation State for Kurds , so three people who wouldn't ever imagine of beheading people were put forward . Kurds are our brothers , so let's go and kill tyrants who deny a pipeline to them . Oh , let's also kill their off-shoots here ... See , Qatar feels Alevis will be core of the resistance when they remove all vestiges of individuality from New Turkey . No point in talking , the trolls will be saying 180 degrees off anyhow ...


    so this is exactly how the leader of the almost racists gets to make another math thing . He adds , subtracts , does a lot of undefineable stuff to numbers . The results never come out in real life , as it should be obvious to any 10 year old . ı was that age almost 4 decades ago , but ı really want to believe ı could do the 4 operations of Arithmetics like when ı was 8 . So , the guy says if 20 million Vietnamese did stuff to Americans , we will do 5 times better . Official population is count is 80 , so doesn't fit ? Why , everybody knows the Vietnamese are little man in Black pajamas . No insulting on my part , you see , now that it's all about protein intake . Have people ever seen the Chairman of China , gotta be 2 meters tall ... And it's nothing odd at all that the almost racists started "Komando" camps to kill Lefties and the lot when the said Vietnamese did stuff to America . Why , it's normal , let's ignore it all and just ask a simple math question . Assuming Americans have grown more "homo" a long the way , and this is a rhetrotical device intented to stress and butress and whatever the fallacy of the situation and not against gay rights or Americans ı like or ı don't like , and they manage just 3 times better ... That would be how many millions dead Turkish citizens ? [/B]


    of course , trivial compared to real life issues of Netanyahu . So , gotta see the Israelis claim 20 to 25 missiles were launched anything up from SA-2 , which the aviation sites claim no longer exists in Syria . And of course , the cowardly Israeli crew panicked and ejected , while their wiser commanding officers just defeated the attacks . We will shortly see that it was a Netanyahu op to distract courts ...
     
  8. r16

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    and just to get a response so that ı won't be infracted and the like in case of consecutive posting , Putin is "allied" for the duration , max amount of contracts , while the make believe spat of New Turkey and America goes on . A-K-P polls like 42% with the almost racists included , right ? And of course , ı didn't believe Russians would find anything amiss with the airliner , anyhow ...
     
  9. Thorgalaeg

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    I think the situation can be summarised in few words: Putin has won (again).
     
  10. red_elk

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    They have different enemies and different goals, just at this moment cooperating seems to be the best way to reach them. The problem is that Turkey still supports anti-government rebels.

    Not yet. Everybody realize that Assad isn't going anywhere, but civil war is unlikely to end this year.
     
  11. red_elk

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    Territorial changes for the last year:

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  12. Tigranes

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    I kind of missed, r16 rants... :D:rolleyes:
     
  13. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    But is getting rid of other rebels of whom Iran also disapproves.

    How close are the positions of Iran and Russia really?
     
  14. red_elk

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    In regards to Syria, I don't know about any disagreements between them. They can be called allies.
     
  15. red_elk

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    Usually it's Ukrainians habit, to raise conspiracy theories regarding every plane crash in Russia.
    Don't worry, our people are perfectly capable to screw things up on our own.
     
  16. Tigranes

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    After what they did to Griboedov?
     
  17. red_elk

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    Guess he was avenged a few times already. Last time in 1941.
     
  18. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    Jeez, are Turkey and Iran having some sort of macho grandstanding competition?

    I mean, probably, knowing their respective governments.
     
  19. red_elk

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    Al-Mayadeen reports that Afrin Kurds made agreement with Assad government, to let government troops in their province and "repel Turkish aggression".
    Interesting development. I doubt Syrian army will fight against Turkey, but with Russian and Iranian help they may persuade Erdogan to stop his attack and withdraw troops.
     
  20. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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    So maybe the Kurds in Syria will aim for a deal that gives them some level of autonomy on condition of not trying to join the Kurds in Iraq or Iran. That's my guess at least. Especially if Russia and Iran are, as red_elk says, allies.
     

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