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Syrian Civil War: World Leaders Try Again

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Ajidica, Sep 28, 2015.

  1. Mechanicalsalvation

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  2. red_elk

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    May be just a coincidence, but today is also Putin's birthday. But then, they should have launched 63 missiles, instead of 26.
     
  3. chijohnaok

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  4. red_elk

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    Aside of all pompousness and oversimplification, it's more or less true (if I understood everything correctly). Just hope that American strategy there is something more complex and better planned than just "depose Assad and see what happens".
     
  5. ParkCungHee

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    Of course there isn't. :crazyeye:
     
  6. Agent327

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    The problem is more that the US don't actually have a Syria strategy. Unlike Russia, which simply supports Assad, the major cause of refugees.

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/283955023/Duitse-enquete-van-Syrische-vluchtelingen

    Last time I checked Afghanistan was not in Syria.
     
  7. r16

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    oh why , ı wasn't planning to watch Alias , when naturally the lights went out 20 minutes before 01.00 . Not for me naturally , must be because of the comin' elections where power shortages have traditionally helped the Islamists greatly ...

    the end must be nigh ... With a guy born in Turkey winning a Nobel . Without months of preparation on how we bloody Turks killed all those Armenians and keep killing the Kurds ; talking New York Times about our murderous past . Was so dumbfounded to figure out the question of "What's the catch?" Turns out he's a relative of a seperatist MP ? One straight from the Hülya Koçyiğit and just a few are not traitors committee ? The internet in Turkey reportedly had a field day of discussing whether he's Turkish or Kurdish ; with him firmly describing himself as Turkish at the end of the day . Indeed the TVs had a flood of him with the Turkish Flag , and specifically with a painting of Kemal ... And with the narrative rapidly adjusting , in the shock of the first day he was saying he didn't expect that . 2nd day , he says he's surprised by the award in Chemistry , he was expecting it as the one for Medicine . And doesn't stop there , his brother turns out to be a retired Brigadier General , without the phrase "Staff" officer attached . Means he's not a graduate of advanced courses almost compulsory for higher ranks . Such events happen , but not much . Moreover he's paying fulsome thanks to the old Republic that gave him a full and yet free education ; thinks his high school class produced 20 proffessors in various fields ... Hardly the type of hype that would benefit to be established 'stan . Whose seemingly only claim to scientific eminence is one of a fuzzily warm notion of inventing fire itself ... What's America doin' now ?? Of course these stuff are open for peer review and am obviously not a peer .

    though am also not a type for eating up ideas in concrete . Jimmy Carter's Nobel will still be revoked , preferably when he's still alive ... Now that his actions in the late 1970s seems to indicate he wasn't much of a believer in the notions of a Judgement Day . After all the whole idea in the Little Prince by Saint Exupery is that Turks will never be recognized with actual contribution to any field of science ... (With that dictator imposing the Hat over the Fez) the Turkish dude who discovers the Prince's planet becoming merely available to listen but not enough to pay any real attention ...

    and of course , Barack Hussein's stays , just to lampoon the idea like forever . With Dabya like arriving in place , like "Give Jimmy one or we will place you in the Axis of Evil!" and his replacement by some Black guy celebrated so wildly that the whole notion has become funny in the extreme , an award for Peace for a guy whose whole plan is the creation of ISIL as part of a thing that gets postponed again and again ...

    you have been merely given the Soviets , in a single digit percentile size . Instead of a proper well deserved orbital bombardment ... Oh yeah , one must always strive to win the thread with the dumbest post for the month .

    the return of the Russian Bear shouldn't have been the cause of such a slowdown in bringing the evil Turk down , right ? ı can almost see dropped jaws in people who look amazed to see all those evil coup plotters on TV , accusing the Congregation and the Party simultenously , of backstabbing the Army and hence kinda the country . The trick in prediction is to see the thing that they have to be as valuable assets to US as the Congregation , to make the fall harder . Any real resistance to the "Democrats" in 2000s would have folded them in 2000s . Naturally they too teach people the "obvious" , it's all fault of the evil Dabya and his lot to plot the downfall of this country . The once in prison Chief of Staff says it's all about taking revenge with the Parliament failing to accept a resolution on March 1st, 2003 that have would opened up a "robust" Northern Front against Saddam's lot . Clearly ignoring the thing that it would have passed had Washington had wanted it ... This cleanly clears Barack Hussein of any involvement .

    what a waste , what a waste ... Even Hollywood would have been in , to reach out and teach a lesson to the evilocity of Turks ... All delayed and delayed , though one must surely love the line about "the customs regulation — Section 126.17, Subsection F — that allowed every citizen to take one full set of body armor, including a helmet and gas mask, overseas. " So Americans really need them ? Instead of say , suntan and maybe insect repellant ?
     
  8. r16

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    regarding the cruise missiles there is indeed nothing like American jealousy . ı know cruise missiles can crash but it must be that 4 out of 26 must go down ... And the thing that some drone is turned aside , because as we should all know Russian cruise missiles can not have the stealth of American ones , Americans see them coming from like miles away .

    edit : And how on earth ı forgot to lampoon Stoltenberg for his promise of 100% support to Turkey , with claims of forces arriving in country within 48 hours of go . While reports suggest Bulgarians demand NATO protection from aerial incursions of Russians , but refuse Turkish participation -now that it would make great sense to use Balıkesir and Bandırma airbases and the F-16s . Which , by the way , got harassed by the Greek F-16s just yesterday and they are now locking onto Russians . Which is no longer harassment but a legal thing . We see you , they are supposed to be saying . Back in the good old days Syrians didn't get any of this we see you thing , so radar locks are now like legal ... When cry babying kinda didn't work , Ankara is all manly again . Guess what , no NATO forces within 48 hours ; but maybe they would make port or airbase in 48 days . If ı want Stoltenberg to talk , ı will surely adress Stoltenberg , right ?
     
  9. red_elk

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    You mean, USA just bombs without thinking what to do next?
    Well, I believe that planning on a state level should be a bit more rational than that.
    And that people who make key decisions in foreign affairs should be somewhat competent.
     
  10. Formaldehyde

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    In order to get the embedded Youtube video to work, you want to only put part of the Youtube URL into the Youtube "wrap", specifically the part that starts with "v=". In this particular case, it would be the text string "vApBZlaePec".


    Link to video.

    That is probably for the media so they can feel safe hanging out in "green zones" far from the actual combat. Just about any other American who even tries to go anywhere near Syria is now treated as a likely ISIL recruit.
     
  11. Yeekim

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    As much as I hate saying this, that might be the more reasonable option.
    In comparison with ISIS, late Saddam is looking more and more like a competent and enlightened ruler.
     
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    I hope Obama isn't stupid enough to get us into a war with Russia.
     
  14. FriendlyFire

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    More likely US is going to withdraw and leave ISIS for the Russians.
     
  15. CELTICEMPIRE

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    If the Russians want to take on ISIS I'm fine with that.
     
  16. FriendlyFire

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    Just put McCain in charge of giving out US weapons.
    That way 100% for sure US weapons wont end up in the hands of AlQeda and 100% for sure there will not be a 9/11 blowback.

    Meanwhile the other half of Republicans are urging the US to ally with a Brutal dictator that employs torture, rape and has used WMDs on hes own people. :mischief:
    Russian is welcome to this huge mess.


     
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    I'm not sure what a Mr McCain has to do with anything, but the main difference between the US and Russia is that the latter has a vested interest in the Assad regime. If there's a strategy behind the current Russian military intervention, most likely it is something like: once we've dealt with IS, we can deal with Assad's other opposition. I doubt the Russians will be leaving Syria anytime soon.

    Interestingly, the whole idea of an armed intervention seems to have been instigated by Iran, which, like pro-Iran Hezbollah, is one of the groups on Assad's side, and without whose cooperation missile attacks from the Caspian might have triggered another diplomatic incident. Since the missile paths also track across northern Iraq, the cooperation of that government is also most welcome to the Kremlin.

    So far, the Kremlin's claim of 'we are attacking IS' seems to be limited to IS positions in Syria.
     
  18. ParkCungHee

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    That is Exactly what the U.S. does.
    I believe we have plenty of extremely competent people in our government. But our government is essentially dysfunctional and does not respond to rational thinking and planning. The U.S. government responds to political pressures more than it stimulates them. It wants Assad gone because it's received input from many sources that want Assad gone, but those sources themselves can't agree on why.

    We don't have a plan for what to do with Syria, because crafting such a plan would require us to think about and rationalize why we're opposed to Assad in the first place.
     
  19. amadeus

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    I'm still a bit lost as to what Obama's goal is in Syria. From a purely geopolitical standpoint, I don't see what the U.S. has to gain by deposing Assad.
     
  20. CELTICEMPIRE

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    I guess it's about combating Iranian and Russian influence in the country.
     

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