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JPetroski

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Hi @Tanelorn - as you may or may not have seen, I'm planning on upgrading/redoing my Cold War scenario given all the extra units and techs available with ToTPP 0.18. This is going to enable me to utilize far more of your units from this thread, as I intend to give the Soviets, Americans, and Europeans each their own distinct units for all of the nuclear powered submarine classes. I've gone through this thread as well as the modern units graphics and while it's totally possible I've missed something - I think the following have never been drawn. I was hoping you'd be up to add them at some point please.

-November class SSN for the Soviets (this is one that I wouldn't be surprised if I missed, but it's pretty distinctive and I didn't see it). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November-class_submarine
-Either a Trafalgar or Rubis class SSN for the Europeans (whichever one you feel like drawing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trafalgar-class_submarine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubis-class_submarine
-A Vanguard class SSBN for the Europeans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguard-class_submarine

I don't think these are done yet but I need them to flesh out this list below.

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I was also hoping you'd be willing to draw a resupply ship. In intend to have this unit be one that follows the fleet around and can heal them at a key press. I don't intend to have every country have their own of these, but I'd throw out there that the Sacramento Class would probably work well (I'd assume the US and Europeans would use this more often than the Soviets, who will be fairly limited in naval aviation).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacramento-class_fast_combat_support_ship

If you were willing to help me out with these I'd really appreciate it! It's not really a rush as I'm just building the scenario out in excel at this point. My apologies if I've missed these somewhere. Thank you!
 

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Sure. I am pretty sure Fairline drew a Trafalgar for the Falklands Scenario though. I will have the rest by tomorrow evening, I was planning to do the November class anyway. It is a very significant design.
 

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He may well have - I'll have to check it out. No need for a Rubis if that is already there. Thanks!
 

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I took a look for the Trafalgar but assuming you're talking about the South Atlantic Conflict, that is a Switfsure in there. Also - do you know if there was a Thresher class done (USA) ever? I could have sworn I saw it when I was compiling my list (I do try and make use of what is already there as much as possible) but I didn't see it. If not I'm pretty sure the Nautilus was done at some point or another one of the earlier ones - I'll find something. I just didn't know if you knew this off the top of your head. Thanks!
 

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The November class looks great. Thank you!

Also - do you know if there was a Thresher class done (USA) ever? I could have sworn I saw it when I was compiling my list...

It was the skipjack that I was thinking of, and I found it. That one is perfectly sufficient for the first US SSN class.
 

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As you like this:

Here is an animated diving Civ 3 November Class submarine:

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Edit: Sorry, I thought I would post this in the Cold War thread.
 
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I really appreciate your animated units. What do you need to make new animated units for ToT? Can you take an existing Fairline graphic and create one, or do you need some additional graphic material?

techumseh, I tried to answer your question in the thread for animated Civ 2 ToT units, as I don´t want to highjack this thread for wonderful static unit graphics.
 

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The Yugoslav destroyer Split, based on the super fast French Le Fantasque class and built by Yarrow Shipbuilders at their shipyard in Split, was designed for the Royal Yugoslav Navy in the late 1930s. Construction began in 1939, but she was captured incomplete by the Italians during the invasion of Yugoslavia. They continued to build the ship but she was scuttled after their surrender in 1943. The Germans refloated her, but the ship was scuttled again before she was taken over by the Yugoslav Partisans and refloated once more. The Tito–Stalin Split in 1948 halted most work. Aid from the USA (armament and electronics) and the UK (engines) finally allowed her to be commissioned in 1958 and served as the navy's flagship up to the late 1970s when a boiler explosion cut its speed by half. She was decommissioned in 1980, and scrapped six years later.
 

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Black Swan class sloop, 37 built. Sloops were faster and better armed than corvettes. Black Swans sank 29 U-boats in WW2, for the loss of 6. Six went to the (Royal) Indian navy; post war four went to the West German navy and one in 1949 to Egypt. It still serves in a training role as the Tariq in 2022, being the only surviving British ship that was present at the Japanese surrender, if I am not mistaken.
 

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USN cruiser classes.
The Leahys were the US navys first highly capable (for the time) anti air missle ships. They retained this by sacrificing ASW capability (no helicopter hangar) and anti surface warfare (they have no guns), to specialize in long range AA protection. They were fitted with Terrier (later Standard ER) missile launchers fore and aft. Nine built, in service 1962-1995.
The Bainbridge was a largely identical, nuclear-powered development of the Leahy-class and the only member of its single-ship class. In commission 1962- 1996.
The Belknaps were also similar to the Leahys but their armament was better balanced. Like the Leahys they emphasized long range AA but had the advantage of posessing a single Sea Sprite ASW helicopter. They later got upgraded with both Harpoon and Tomahawk missiles. Nine built, in service 1964-1995.
The Truxtun was a heavily modified, larger, nuclear-powered development of the Belknap class and the only member of its single-ship class. In commission 1967- 1995.
Likewise, the California class was nuclear powered. These were designed as AA escorts for the Nimitz class carriers and lacked a helicopter hangar, having only a heli-pad. A pair were built and went into service in 1974. Although they were overhauled in the early 90s, they were proven very costly to operate and were decommissioned in 1999.
The four Virginia class warships (in service 1976-1998) were the last nuclear powered cruisers of the US navy. These were also originally designed specificaly as AA escorts for the Nimitz class carriers and like the Nimitz they could operate for 10 years without refueling. In the early 80s short range Harpoon SSMs were mounted on board and these were followed by long range Tomahawk SSMs in the mid-80s. They also had SM-1 SAMs, ASROC ASW missiles and single Sea Sprite ASW helicopter. Its hangars were uniquely bellow deck. Very well balanced for the time. It was found that, while it was possible to mass-produce nuclear-powered warships, the ships were less cost-efficient than conventionally powered warships. Also, the new gas turbine–powered ships then entering the fleet—the Spruance-class destroyers—required much less manpower. While eleven ships of the Virginia class were planned, only four were produced and the remainder were cancelled. The Virginias were withdrawn early as the U.S. military was downsizing after the Cold War.
 

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Very nice :goodjob: If you ever get around to Fairline-ising other US ships, I'd like to see your fresh take on the Arleigh Burke and related subclasses like the Kongo/Atago. Also on my wishlist: Swedish and Japanese SSKs and Type 055 Renhai.... but no pressure there!

I took a look for the Trafalgar but assuming you're talking about the South Atlantic Conflict, that is a Switfsure in there.

:shifty: I probably should have mentioned this earlier, but Trafalgar is essentially an improved Swiftsure with not much distinguishing it visually at Civ-scale (in similar vein, the Churchills were improved Valiants.) I've taken a half-a$$ed stab at it below along with some of the post-Cold War UK submarine classes, but ships aren't really my thing so I'm hoping someone will step in to finish them. Vanguard is an especially hard one to nail, pretty boat but more curves on the thing than a pregnant humpback whale...

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:shifty: I probably should have mentioned this earlier, but Trafalgar is essentially an improved Swiftsure with not much distinguishing it visually at Civ-scale (in similar vein, the Churchills were improved Valiants.) I've taken a half-a$$ed stab at it below along with some of the post-Cold War UK submarine classes, but ships aren't really my thing so I'm hoping someone will step in to finish them. Vanguard is an especially hard one to nail, pretty boat but more curves on the thing than a pregnant humpback whale...


I mean if they're that similar though, maybe it makes cosmetic sense to go with the Rubis Tanelorn drew just so there's a wider range. Also it would be good to get the French another representative. I'm sure there are other units in my group that aren't "the best" that Europe fielded of any particular type but in my mind it's better to be able for the player to figure at a glance what unit is the "better one" even if a Trafalgar is technically a better submarine in real life.

Also, I think the Vanguard looks great!
 

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Facelift for the Soviet Victor class of nuclear attack submarines (SSKN - Hunter Killer Submarine, Nuclear ). The most numerous such class in Soviet service.
Project 671 submarines were, at the turn of the 1970s, designed to combat enemy submarines and neutralize the threat from the Polaris-Poseidon system. By 1974, 15 ships of the base project 671 (NATO code name: Victor I) had been built in Leningrad. They were equipped with six 533 mm torpedo tubes and could also fire ASW SS N 15 missiles, similar to the American SUBROC.
The design was modified to silence ships, increase sonar capabilities and weapons. Two of the six 533 caliber torpedo tubes were converted to 650 mm torpedo tubes and the number of spare torpedoes was increased to 18. The modified design was designated 671RT (NATO: Victor II ), six of which were built. The last variant was the 671RTM project (NATO: Victor III ). The final variant was quieter and was equipped with SS-N-21 Granat anti-ship cruise missiles fired from the torpedo tubes. 27 units of this project were built. The new fin gondola housed a towed passive sonar antenna. They were the first Soviet subs which, thanks to their combat capabilities, approximated their contemporary American counterparts (the Sturgeon class).
In total, 48 ships of all project 671 versions of were built, most of which ended service by the mid -1990s, but some still remain in the Russian category 2 reserve.
 

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Smaller form Baltic navies updates.

Project 1242.1 and project 1241.8 Molniya are further developments of the Tarantul family of ships above with modern Uran missiles.
Russia received at least one boat in the 1990s and two upgraded Molniya-class missile boats in early 2019.
Vietnam uses two Russian made ships and six locally built ships.
The Indian Navy has two 1241.8 Molniya Veer class boats.
Turkmenistan acquired three Type 1241.8 vessels, possibly those that had been ordered by Libya in 2009 but not delivered.
Egypt received one Project 12421 Molniya ship in 2015.

Matka class super fast hydrofoil missile boat small form rework. A dozen built for the Soviet navy, split evenly between the Baltic and Black sea fleets. Post USSR, all Black Sea Matkas were transfered to Ukraine. All are now captured by Russia or scrapped, including one handed by Ukraine to Georgia. All Baltic sea boats were transferred to the Caspian sea fleet and are now scrapped.
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Small form Nanuchka class corvettes of the Soviet/ Russian navy.
Nanuchka I (Project 1234) - 17 boats - most retired in the 1990s
Nanuchka II (Project 1234 E) - 10 boats - exported to the Indian Navy (3, 1977) Algerian Navy (3, 1980) and Libyan Navy (4, 1982-1985, one terminally damaged and one sunk by the USN in 1986)
Nanuchka III (Project 12341) - 16 boats - 6-8 in service with the Russian navy as of 2022. One, Smerch, got SS-N-25 'Switchblade'/ Uran SSMs in 2019.

Kilo class diesel subs. Russia has actually received 20 and decommissioned 13 original Kilos, including sub-variants.
India has lost one and transferred another one to Myanmar.
 

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Type 39/ 39G Song and Type 39A/ 39B/ 39C Yuan PLN diesel submarines.
The Yuan, that incorporate a lot of Russian Kilo tech and weapons, are referred to as Type 041 in some sources.
 

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