Tayyip Erdogan wants to limit abortions

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/30/w...ier-calls-for-more-abortion-restrictions.html

ISTANBUL — Calling abortion an act of murder and an insidious plan to reduce the Turkish population, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan called on Tuesday for legislation to restrict women’s access to the procedure.

Since 1983, abortion has been legal in Turkey for up to 10 weeks after conception, with emergency abortions allowed for medical reasons after that. Mr. Erdogan proposed outlawing all abortions that are not medically necessary, and limiting medically necessary abortions to the first eight weeks after conception, according to NTV, a private television news network.

“There is no difference in killing the fetus in a mother’s womb or killing a person after birth,” Mr. Erdogan said Tuesday, echoing comments he made Friday at the opening of a hospital in Istanbul and on Saturday to a group of female politicians in Ankara, the capital.

The prime minister also called for limits on Caesarean births, saying they were “nothing more than a procedure to restrict and square a nation’s population” because, he said, women who give birth that way generally cannot have more than one more child.

His remarks, which rekindled concerns about the intentions of the Islamic-rooted government, prompted reactions from various rights groups, including the Female Party Initiative, which organized a protest in Istanbul on Monday.

Benal Yazgan, the head of the group, said that “it is strictly for the woman to decide how she would give birth, or whether she would give birth at all or not — not the prime minister.”

Medical experts acknowledge that rates of Caesarean sections in Turkey are high, but they emphasize that better health care and education would reduce those figures. Restricting abortions, on the other hand, could lead to more mothers’ dying, they warn.

On Saturday, Mr. Erdogan also likened abortion to a military airstrike in December that mistakenly killed 34 civilians in Uludere, a village in the southeast, where Turkish forces are engaged against separatist Kurdish rebels.

“Every abortion is an Uludere,” he told female members of his Justice and Development Party in Ankara — comments that opposition parties called an effort to divert public attention away from the investigation into the attack, which caused a nationwide outcry.

Mr. Erdogan, who wants every married couple to have at least three children, dismissed criticism of his position, saying Friday that abortion “has no place in our values” and on Saturday that “our only goal is to elevate this country above the levels of developed civilizations, for which we need a young and dynamic population.”

It looks like Tayyip Erdoğan's main goal with this is to increase Turkey's already large population, and nationalist Turks are concerned about the Kurdish population growing faster than the Turkish. It also shows Turkey going further into an Islamic government. I was surprised about his saying caeserians cause woman to not have more children, is that true?
 
Wow, this is upsetting. Hopefully the opposition will pull its finger out. I don't know what kind of sway the EU still holds, but maybe European diplomacy can do something positive here.
 
Bad news for everyone. It's spreading as it gains success one place after another.
 
Silly Erdogan. Restricting abortions will do nothing to increase birth rates. Maybe he should familiarise himself with the concept of contraception.

Iran can't do it, let alone Turkey. That Turkey has a (barely) over-replacement birth rate at all is partly due to the relatively low female workforce participation rate.
 
Another thing Islamic and Christian fundies have in common - the belief that forcing women to bear children they don't want can somehow make the society better :shake:
 
In any case, why should Turkey want to increase its population? It's already frakking huge, considering that most of Anatolia is desert and mountains.

I know, I know, idiotic nationalistic delusions of power as a function of population.
 
Is this one of those things were a government has realised that its basically incapable of dealing with authentic issues such as employment, housing, etc., so it starts kicking up some big moral panic to distract people's attention from their crippling incompetence?
 
In any case, why should Turkey want to increase its population? It's already frakking huge, considering that most of Anatolia is desert and mountains.

I know, I know, idiotic nationalistic delusions of power as a function of population.

Turkey have 1.06% of world population, but 1.7% of world agricultural output. It have room to grow.

I know, I know, idiotic ecohysterical ignorance of real world.
 
I never thought I would see CH applaud an Islamist-leaning politician.
 
The reason has to do with the Kurdish birthrate being higher than the ethnic Turkish one. A lot of people are worried about this. He has said that every family should have three children and now there's this.
 
Ceasarians do not stop people having more children as some women have had at leas three of them.
 
The reason has to do with the Kurdish birthrate being higher than the ethnic Turkish one. A lot of people are worried about this. He has said that every family should have three children and now there's this.
Different birth rates of different groups is actually a pretty heavy factor of how a society will develop. Ethnicity is of course a rather bad way to judge it, but other factors as economic and social background are IMO hardly deniable in their significance - which may have some overlap with ethnicity.
Generally speaking, I think that in many nations it holds true that overall in deed the wrong people have the many children. That is for instance is the reasons that German social security is by some predicted to (almost) inevitably crumple. And the particular person I have in mind is not some crazy right-winger from what I can tell.
 
The reason has to do with the Kurdish birthrate being higher than the ethnic Turkish one. A lot of people are worried about this. He has said that every family should have three children and now there's this.

Maybe making abortions more accessible for the Kurds would be a better way to tackle the "problem".
 
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