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Discussion in 'Civ4 - Democracy Game II' started by dutchfire, Apr 20, 2007.

  1. dutchfire

    dutchfire Deity Retired Moderator

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    Please, only officials should post in this thread, to give instructions for the upcoming game session.

    Officials:
    Chieftain: No instructions posted
    Elder of NoneOfTheAbove: instructions posted
    Elder of Equus Aurum: instructions posted
    Elder of City #3: No instructions posted
    Warlord: instructions posted

    Starting Save

    Previous instruction thread
     
  2. Falcon02

    Falcon02 General

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    Move one Warrior in City #1 to the tile 1 W of the Copper.

    Chariot #2 should double back and provide escort for the Settler.

    A Warrior at Equus Aurum should head to location of Chariot #1 and Chariot #1 should double back to NotA once the Warrior has relieved it's Fog Busting duties.

    I would also like to request that any Archers with an available promotion be given City Garrison.
     
  3. robboo

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    Work tiles to stagnant growth and maximize gold.

    IF a worker is available...we need to mine the other gold, I am still debating on if we should cottage or farm the other flood plain. So do not do anything to it as of yet, till I can get more citizen input.

    Build 2 chariots, then an archer for garrison, then back to chariots. After the archer is build please release control of 1 warrior to the warlord.
     
  4. dutchfire

    dutchfire Deity Retired Moderator

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    Build the Oracle.
     
  5. DaveShack

    DaveShack Inventor Retired Moderator

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    Stop play on completion of Priesthood, pending a poll on the Oracle.
    Or delay play session.

    Stop order will be rescinded if instructions are changed to start the Oracle.
     
  6. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    Build Queues for City #1:

    Library->Granary->Archer

    Work high food/hammer tiles
     
  7. Methos

    Methos HoF Quattromaster Moderator Hall of Fame Staff

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    Worker #1:
    • Up to DP (since its his city)
    Worker #2:
    • Complete farm (3 turns)
    • move to unworked gold
    • mine gold hill
    • road gold hill
    Worker #3:
    • start gold mine (4 turns)
    • road gold mine (2 turns)
    • move to flood plains
    • irrigate flood plains
    Settler:
    • Move to spot planned for Coppertown.
    • Settle and name it "City #2"

    Research Finish Priesthood (1)
    Suggest to Elder Dutchfire to immediately switch to Oracle in NoneOfTheAbove
    If Oracle will take fewer turns than CoL, then start HBR -> IW and take CoL when Oracle completes.
    Else if Oracle will take more turns than CoL, then start CoL -> HBR, take Civil Service when Oracle completes.

    If Oracle completed by another civ, switch to CoL, if we're not already researching it.
     
  8. dutchfire

    dutchfire Deity Retired Moderator

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    Orders quoted, changed to Oracle as suggested.
     
  9. dutchfire

    dutchfire Deity Retired Moderator

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    Starting TC
     
  10. dutchfire

    dutchfire Deity Retired Moderator

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    Turnchat completed. It's now 400 BC, confucianism has been founded in Equus Aurum and the Oracle has been finished, and has been used for Civil Service.

    Spoiler summary :
    turn 1:

    changed NoneOfTheAbove to research to preserve overflow hammers for the Oracle.

    turn 2:

    We finished priesthood
    Start on Code of Laws and the Oracle

    turn 3:
    Trade mysticism for fishing with Bismarck

    turn 4:
    Chariot finished in Equus Aurum
    Discover French city
    Finished gold mine. Treasury 50, -4, Code of Laws and Oracle in 8.

    turn 5:
    Equus Aurum finishes chariot, starts archer.

    turn 6:
    Settled City #2

    turn 7:
    Lyons gets reinforced by an archer

    turn 8:
    Finished archer in EA, start on chariot.
    Stonehenge built somewhere.
    City #1 gets connected to our trade network.
    2 French axemen approach city #1, as a response 2 chariots head there too.

    Turn 9:
    Axemen return to Lyons.

    Turn 10:
    Finish chariot in Equus Aurum, start another one.

    Turn 11:
    Finish gold mine in Equus Aurum

    Turn 12:
    We have finished Code of Laws.
    Confucianism has been founded in Equus Aurum.
    The Oracle has been completed in NoneOfTheAbove.
    We have discovered Civil Service.


    Spoiler log :

    Session Start: Mon Apr 23 16:54:55 2007
    Session Ident: #turnchat
    * Now talking in #turnchat
    * Topic is 'Turnchat - 1160 BC - Thursday, Apr 5 10:00pm MST 0500 GMT Friday'
    * Set by DaveShack on Thu Apr 05 05:02:49
    * Chieftess sets mode: +v dutchfire
    <Hyronymus> finally a turnchat I can visit
    <dutchfire> you were at the starting session too, right?
    <Hyronymus> could be
    <Hyronymus> but not to full length
    <Hyronymus> I hope this one will be until the end
    * fed1943 has joined #turnchat
    * Chieftess sets mode: +v fed1943
    <dutchfire> I'm starting up civ now, but I have to eat first, so I'll see you in some minutes
    <Hyronymus> don't choke :p\
    <dutchfire> The save is 675 BC, right?
    <Hyronymus> yes
    <Hyronymus> Priesthood 1 turn to finish
    <Hyronymus> NotA growing in 8 turns and constructing a library
    <Hyronymus> channel topic still mentions the previous turnchat I see
    <dutchfire> can't be bothered with it actually :p
    <dutchfire> restarting CIV, forgot to turn on windowed mode
    * dutchfire starting turnchat
    <Hyronymus> ok
    * dutchfire moved warrior from Equus Aurum as per instruction
    <dutchfire> moving scout without instructions
    <dutchfire> what was the exact location to settle again?
    <Hyronymus> let's find out
    * dutchfire change NOTA to research to preserve overflow for the Oracle
    <dutchfire> ready to press enter
    * fed1943 has left #turnchat
    <Hyronymus> can't find the damn settlement spot :(
    <Hyronymus> oh, hang on
    <Hyronymus> http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/7992/civ4screenshot0031pc7.jpg
    <Hyronymus> no, wrong image
    <Hyronymus> that only show gold + cow
    <Hyronymus> this one: http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1588/civ4screenshot0034bf9.jpg
    <dutchfire> 1E of the copper
    <Hyronymus> so on the jungle 1E of the copper
    * Hyronymus nods
    <Hyronymus> 4 turns to get there
    <Hyronymus> will settle at the 5th turn
    <dutchfire> "The Lord bless you and keep you, the Lord ........."
    <Hyronymus> yay
    <dutchfire> We've finished priesthood
    <Hyronymus> Oracle costs 14 turns, CoL 16 turns (I just click end of turn along)
    <dutchfire> Oracle can be done in 10, CoL in 11 but we could slow Oracle down a bit
    <Hyronymus> hmm, is that wise
    <Hyronymus> we run the risk that someone beats us to it
    <Hyronymus> if we do it in 11 then we might have HBR and CoL in 1 turn
    <dutchfire> we can have HBR in 8
    <Hyronymus> yeah, I see
    <Hyronymus> swapped to the gold mine at EA
    <dutchfire> btw, I think we should be able to make it with CoL first, as there will soon be another gold mine ready to work, and a cottage in Equus will grow
    <dutchfire> but then I have to move the worker away from the forest again, because chopping makes no sense if we do that
    <Hyronymus> not really indeed
    <Hyronymus> just start the Oracle
    <Hyronymus> in 11 turns :)
    <dutchfire> CoL/HBR?
    <Hyronymus> and then take Civil Service with Oracle?
    <dutchfire> If we do CoL then we can take either Civil Service, or Philosophy with the Oracle, both are very expensive
    <Hyronymus> Philospy leads to another rleigion, Taoism
    <dutchfire> if we do HBR, we can chose CoL, and use the prophet we get for Civil Service
    <dutchfire> no... wait, we can't pick Philosophy, we'd need meditation for that
    <dutchfire> I'm leaning towards starting Oracle AND Code of Laws now, unless you have major objections
    <Hyronymus> I agree, it looks good
    <Hyronymus> but after the Oracle, what do we pick then?
    <Hyronymus> Civil Service
    <dutchfire> yes, but we'll stop the session before that moment
    <Hyronymus> k
    <dutchfire> Civil Service is arguably the most important tech in the game
    <Hyronymus> (not OK but oh well :p)
    <Hyronymus> yes, Bureaucracy is nice to have early on
    <Hyronymus> plus your farms spread easily
    <dutchfire> ready to press enter
    <Hyronymus> feel free
    <dutchfire> done
    <dutchfire> some trade opportunities
    <dutchfire> fishing for mysticism with bismarck
    <dutchfire> seems reasonable, doesn't it?
    <Hyronymus> do they cost the same
    <dutchfire> mysticism is slightly more expensive in beakercost, but on prince, you just got too accept that trades won't be fair
    <dutchfire> it's essentially a free tech for us
    <Hyronymus> no, but I don't mind if what we offer is less expensive
    <Hyronymus> but who do we get it from
    <Hyronymus> do we strengthen the tie with Bismarck or probably upset Napy more
    <dutchfire> Bismarck
    <dutchfire> I've accepted it
    <Hyronymus> ok
    <dutchfire> turn 4: finished chariot
    * Methos has joined #turnchat
    * Chieftess sets mode: +v Methos
    <Hyronymus> Archer takes 1 turn in EA
    <Methos> Whats the numbers for oracle and col?
    <dutchfire> We've spotted a French city W-SW of the Copper
    <Methos> is it blocking the copper
    <dutchfire> not at the moment
    <Hyronymus> but it will if it grows
    <dutchfire> Oracle in 8, CoL in 9, but I'm betting on micromanagement and a new gold mine to finish it in time
    <Hyronymus> lol
    <Hyronymus> do we continu to settle?
    * Hyronymus is in favour
    <Methos> what about slowing oracle and self research col?
    <dutchfire> we have been self researching CoL for some time
    <Methos> sorry
    * dutchfire Dutchfire is in favour of continuing
    <Hyronymus> we have no opposition
    <Hyronymus> :p
    <Methos> what turn we on?
    <dutchfire> 4
    <dutchfire> 600 BC
    <dutchfire> I can upload a save if you want
    <Methos> np dont woory
    <dutchfire> continue?
    <Hyronymus> yes please
    <Methos> sure
    <dutchfire> I'll keep both the warrior and the chariot there for protection, okay?
    <Hyronymus> yes
    <Hyronymus> how's the defense of Lyons
    <dutchfire> 2 axes + archer
    <dutchfire> gold mine came online, CoL now in 8!
    <Hyronymus> w00t
    <dutchfire> we can trade for masonry, but I'd like to keep it closed to open up possibilities for lightbulbing
    <Hyronymus> fine
    <dutchfire> Equus Aurum finishes Chariot, starts archer
    <Methos> dutch, do you remember whether research is completed first or production? In other words, can we continue if both Oracle and CoL finish the sma eutnr?
    <Methos> same turn
    <Methos> Or do we need to slow the oracle down?
    <dutchfire> same turn is okay
    <dutchfire> @methos, you wanted to road the gold, but I'd prefer to road the plains to make a traderoute
    <Methos> Might as well road the gold while your there so we can offer it in trade.
    <Methos> Won't it only take two turns?
    <Methos> We'd lose that many by leaving and coming back
    <dutchfire> yeah, but I'd prefer to road towards the copper first, gold isn't exactly a priority
    <dutchfire> what should city #2 start on?
    <Hyronymus> city#2 is the new city right
    <Methos> yes
    <Methos> yes, its the new city
    <Hyronymus> library
    <Hyronymus> for culture
    <dutchfire> okay, thought so too
    <Hyronymus> to bump off the french city
    <Hyronymus> what's the French city called
    <Methos> trade route? EA isn't connected?
    <dutchfire> city 1 isn't connected
    <Methos> I thought it was!
    <dutchfire> don't know about the french city, can only see the borders
    <Hyronymus> how long does a library take in city#2
    <dutchfire> 45
    <dutchfire> growth in 11
    <Hyronymus> k
    <dutchfire> Anyway, what should I do with the worker? road the mine vs. traderoute towards city #1 and #2
    <Hyronymus> sounds like a good deal
    <Methos> The trade route will give us gold sooner, so go with the traderoute
    <Hyronymus> gives our units faster movement Northbound and enables a trade route
    <Methos> Just curious though, how does this affect going against instructions?
    <Methos> Even though I'm allowing it? Is it legal?
    <dutchfire> as long as donsig doesn't find out :p
    <Hyronymus> it's something we uncover during gameplay
    <dutchfire> btw I changed taxes after settling city #2
    <Hyronymus> I thnk a DP should be allowed to overrule, as long as the DP explains it
    <Hyronymus> if the explanation of the DP isn't watertight then he's sacked :p
    <Methos> It doesn't matter what we think, just what the law states
    <Methos> As to the taxes, since they werent covered the DP can do as he wishes
    <Methos> I have no idea on the legality of the other issue. We'll find out later I guess.
    <dutchfire> another french archer going to Lyons
    <Hyronymus> what does the research time for CoL say now, dutchfire
    <Hyronymus> still 8 turns?
    <dutchfire> Oracle/CoL both in 6 now, ready to press enter again
    <Methos> go ahead
    <Hyronymus> ok
    <dutchfire> finished archer in EA
    <Hyronymus> hurray
    <dutchfire> stonehenge built somewhere
    <Hyronymus> :(
    <Methos> good thing we didnt go for it.
    <Hyronymus> true
    <Hyronymus> where does the archer go?
    <Hyronymus> NotA?
    <Hyronymus> if the French are building up units in Lyons we better have something waiting
    <dutchfire> I sent a chariot to NotA (instructions), so I'm keeping the archer in EA
    <Hyronymus> ok
    <dutchfire> All cities now have 1 chariot/archer and 1 warrior
    <Hyronymus> k
    <dutchfire> traderoute gives us 1 gold extra
    <Hyronymus> \o/
    <dutchfire> 2 axes leave Lyons!
    <Hyronymus> whereto?
    <dutchfire> NE, possibly towards city #1
    <Hyronymus> oh jolly
    <dutchfire> 2 chariots (NotA and EA) sent towards city #1
    <dutchfire> ready to press enter
    <Hyronymus> ready
    <Methos> go ahead
    <Methos> crap
    <Methos> This isn't looking good.
    <dutchfire> They've moved back to Lyons. We would have been able to hold out against them though
    <Methos> But I'd prefer not having too. Lol
    <Hyronymus> lol
    <dutchfire> finished chariot in EA, start another one
    <Hyronymus> ok
    <Hyronymus> how much money do we loose per turn?
    <dutchfire> 1
    <Hyronymus> and are any workers ready to road up to city#2
    <Hyronymus> and mine the copper
    <dutchfire> french axes moving NW
    <dutchfire> 2 workers going to city #2
    <Hyronymus> k
    <Hyronymus> 2 axes moving away from us then
    <Hyronymus> maybe on an evasive manouvre towards city#2
    <Hyronymus> can you send that fresh chariot to city#2
    <Hyronymus> or did you have instructions for that
    <dutchfire> i'm sending a chariot from #1 to #2, and from EA to #1
    <Hyronymus> k, smart :)
    <Hyronymus> Oracle in 2?
    <dutchfire> city #2 hooked up, end of turn 10, ready to press enter and continue
    <dutchfire> yep, 1 last turn to play
    <Hyronymus> play
    <dutchfire> french axes moved E again :rolleyes:
    <dutchfire> finished gold mine in EA, should I work it?
    <dutchfire> we can work it instead of the forest plains, but we will lose some food
    <Hyronymus> does it matter for research
    <Hyronymus> do beakers carry over too if you have excess?
    <dutchfire> they carry over
    <dutchfire> I've saved it, the next player just has to move a worker (another road gold order I don't like :p), press enter and take screenies of the wonder movies
    <Methos> Did you hit a stop order?
    <Methos> I thought you were playing it out until Oracle or CoL was finished?
    <Methos> Might as well IMO
    <Methos> There's no set turns to play unless a stop order has been issued
    <dutchfire> are we sure we want Civil Service?
    <dutchfire> and my comp doesn't like movies, so I've turned them off :D
    <Methos> That was what was originaly discussed
    <dutchfire> if I want to continue, I need to move the worker
    <dutchfire> the order is to road the EA gold, but I'd prefer going 1 NW and building a cottage/farm on the floodplain
    <Methos> Just because the Chieftain failed to give enough instructions doesn't mean you can't continue.
    <Methos> It's just up to you since the Chieftain didn't complete his job.
    <Methos> I'd complete the order, or else it could cause legal issues.
    <dutchfire> worker set to roading, I've had one to many brushes with the law during my sessions :D
    <Methos> lol
    <Hyronymus> I want Civil Service
    <dutchfire> pressing enter, can I have a drumroll please?
    * Hyronymus rolls drum
    <Methos> tatatatata
    <dutchfire> Confucianism has been founded in Equus Aurum
    <Methos> woohoo
    <dutchfire> we've entered the medieval era
    <dutchfire> we now have civil service
    <Methos> cs?
    <Methos> woohoo
    <dutchfire> a pity that it wasn't founded in city #2, it needs the culture
    <Methos> agree
    <Hyronymus> do we have a missionary
    <Methos> we should
    <Hyronymus> NotA or city#2?
    <Hyronymus> *to NotA or city#2
    <dutchfire> game saved, ending play session
    <Hyronymus> oh well, that's up to the forum crowd I guess
    <Methos> #2 for culture
    <Methos> imo
    <Hyronymus> think so too
    <dutchfire> issues we should discuss: next tech (philosophy as placeholder, but probably Iron working or Horsebackriding)
    <dutchfire> What to do with the missionary
    <Hyronymus> do we want Maceman
    <dutchfire> I'd say city #2 first, and Equus Aurum starting on a monastry and missionaries as soon as possible
    <Hyronymus> (once we get copper)
    <Hyronymus> would be nice to convert Bismarck
    <dutchfire> Macemen are far away, we need metal casting+machinery
    <dutchfire> civic+religion change ahead?
    <Methos> great turnset!
    <Methos> Gotta go, later.
    * Methos has quit IRC (Quit: )
    <Hyronymus> Organised Religion is far away too, right
    <Hyronymus> the production bonus kicks ass
    <dutchfire> now i need to find the chat log
     

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  11. dutchfire

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    Issues to be discussed in the various threads:

    • Next tech, Iron Working and Horseback Riding are the most likely candidates.
    • What to do with the Confucian Missionary, send him to city #2 for culture against the French, or to NotA for happiness?
    • Change civics to Slavery/Bureaucracy?
    • Change religion to Confucianism?
     
  12. fed1943

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    Congratulations! A great play you performed.

    (It looks my guess about the system was right: one must to drive away from
    it, to play well).

    Best regards,
     

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