Team Fortress 2 Mafia: Game Thread [concluded]
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dragonprobably
The Poster Formerly Known as MartinLuther
I see what you did there.
Zack
99% hot gas
If you compare to other threads in this forum with similar amounts of posts, this thread has a very low amount of views compared to the amount of posts it has.
kill fire
Enormous Midget
I'm pondering as to why it's taking choxorn more than four hours to do this.
Team BLU:
Scouts:
Backwards Logic
The First of the Three Roleblockers, he could block all active abilities. Certainly a powerful role for the town, so of course the RED spies mistook him for a scanner and killed him on Night 2. He did manage to roleblock robbiecon that night and prevent him from killing Kennigit, which would have created a suspicious kill number had robbiecon remembered to send in a kill on Night 1, meaning robbiecon saved himself from an early death through forgetting a kill and the RED team guessing wrong about Backwards Logic.
Mat93
A self-protector. He only used one of his BONK's, incidentally on the same night that 3 people protected CivGeneral. Other than that, Mat didn't do much. He was, somewhat interestingly, the only Scout who lived past Night 2, and came close to actually completing his Personal Goal.
NinjaCow64
One of many BLU roles who could hit people weakly, he was the one who attacked SamSniped on Night 1 and caused him to bleed for a few turns. He was also had one of three abilities in the game that could break through the RED Spy's cloaking ability. DaveShack later got his ability and never used it, meaning we never got to write an amusing PM to someone telling them that they'd hit themselves. The Bleed effect could be erased by Visorslash's ability. We're not quite sure why we decided that, but we just did.
Soldiers:
SamSniped
A limited doctor ability, it could have been a fairly useful ability if used at the right times. Sadly, SamSniped used it the first time to protect CivGeneral on a night when Methos and DaveShack were also protecting him (incidentally, DaveShack protected CivGeneral with SamSniped's ability), and he used it the second time to protect CivGeneral again... while telling everyone in the thread about it, letting the RED Spies cackle evilly and Buddhafish killed CivGeneral with his kill-through-protect ability.
CivCube
kill fire and I thought that a role like this would be fairly interesting in this set-up, and the Personal Goal would be interesting. It ended up with CivCube making up that thing about FoSing to try to take damage and he was killed by robbiecon without ever taking any damage. Note to Self: Never give players any goal that requires them to be injured.
Verarde
Okay, fine, we lied when we said everyone had at least 100 health.
We forgot about him. 
Basically, Verarde was pretty much immune to everything at night (He could only be rendered vulnerable by Earthling's Jarate) a fact the RED spies learned the hard way several times, but had only 20 Health, meaning he'd die from pretty much any votes at all. Verarde pretty much lurked for most of the game, which is a perfect example of how not to play an innocent who's bulletproof. He could have seriously hurt the RED's by pretending to be a power role or, hell, just trying to draw more attention to himself. On the other hand, he could have also gotten the 2-3 votes required to kill him.
Pyros:
CivGeneral
The Spy-Scanner, and the closest thing to an Alignment Scanner in the game. CivGeneral's Spy-Check would turn up a "Yes" for all of the RED Spies, as long as they weren't Cloaking, but it also turned up a "Yes" for Visorslash and Jarrema's BLU Spy roles (not MartinLuther's, both to complicate the scan a bit and to prevent MartinLuther's hiding ability from giving us a headache), and it couldn't detect robbiecon on account of his scan-immunity.
Amusingly, he completed his Personal Goal- by scanning both Visorslash and Jarrema. Also amusingly, DaveShack got his ability twice and hit RED Spies with both of them.
Kennigit
Kennigit had the ability to do more damage on people who weren't in first place. He frequently made a point of not being on the first-place vote. Sadly, he never came anywhere near completing his goal, as the ability to lynch multiple people in one round was a woefully underused mechanic in this game.
Zack
A class-scanner, useful in some instances. I think I said a while ago that his scan couldn't go through the RED Spies' Cover Roles (or robbiecon's or mythmonster's, for that matter), so it would appear to have limited use- but it could have been combined with CivGeneral's scan to definitively prove someone was a Spy (since CivGeneral's scan would say they're a Spy, while Zack's would say they're not), or even catch the GREEN Spy (robbiecon's cover role was a BLU Spy, so Zack's scan would say he was a Spy while CivGeneral's would say he wasn't). At the very least, it could have let Zack see if someone was lying or go find other people to innocent-network-with/talk to.
Demomen:
SouthernKing
SouthernKing was just a standard Vengeful Lynchee. Sadly for his personal goal, all of the Demomen got lynched by half-way through the game, and he also ended up blowing up Zack with his Vengeful Lynchee ability when both of them became the top suspects on Day 3. The game certainly could have gone better for him.
mgsmuhammad
mgsmuhammad was the one responsible for blowing people up a lot of times the first few nights. Like way too many of the innocent players, he got lynched for acting too weird in the thread. It was too bad- his ability had plenty of interesting uses, and created plenty of lulz-worthy moments the two times he hit other people with it (Night one, when he stickybombed Takhisis, who 4 other people, including the Bus Driver, targeted, and Night four, when he was among the 8 people who targeted CivGeneral). I still don't know how everyone forgot that mechaerik was caught by his bomb on Night 4, and I don't think mechaerik ever really explained that. It would have been a nice contribution to the innocents if he could have succeeded in getting mechaerik killed. Sadly, the only one he really managed to get even indirectly killed was Jarrema.
Omega124
Omega was a Double Voter. He role was an almost exact copy of Buddhafish's Cover Role, which would have created an interesting situation if either of them ever tried to role claim. His role never amounted to much, as he missed a few votes, and the only time it ever made a difference was Day One, when he created a 3-way-tie and almost got Double A lynched. Funnily, his Personal Goal was still completable until the final day, due to the surprising longevity of all of the Engineers.
Scouts:
Backwards Logic
Spoiler :
The First of the Three Roleblockers, he could block all active abilities. Certainly a powerful role for the town, so of course the RED spies mistook him for a scanner and killed him on Night 2. He did manage to roleblock robbiecon that night and prevent him from killing Kennigit, which would have created a suspicious kill number had robbiecon remembered to send in a kill on Night 1, meaning robbiecon saved himself from an early death through forgetting a kill and the RED team guessing wrong about Backwards Logic.
Mat93
Spoiler :
A self-protector. He only used one of his BONK's, incidentally on the same night that 3 people protected CivGeneral. Other than that, Mat didn't do much. He was, somewhat interestingly, the only Scout who lived past Night 2, and came close to actually completing his Personal Goal.
NinjaCow64
Spoiler :
One of many BLU roles who could hit people weakly, he was the one who attacked SamSniped on Night 1 and caused him to bleed for a few turns. He was also had one of three abilities in the game that could break through the RED Spy's cloaking ability. DaveShack later got his ability and never used it, meaning we never got to write an amusing PM to someone telling them that they'd hit themselves. The Bleed effect could be erased by Visorslash's ability. We're not quite sure why we decided that, but we just did.
Soldiers:
SamSniped
Spoiler :
A limited doctor ability, it could have been a fairly useful ability if used at the right times. Sadly, SamSniped used it the first time to protect CivGeneral on a night when Methos and DaveShack were also protecting him (incidentally, DaveShack protected CivGeneral with SamSniped's ability), and he used it the second time to protect CivGeneral again... while telling everyone in the thread about it, letting the RED Spies cackle evilly and Buddhafish killed CivGeneral with his kill-through-protect ability.
CivCube
Spoiler :
kill fire and I thought that a role like this would be fairly interesting in this set-up, and the Personal Goal would be interesting. It ended up with CivCube making up that thing about FoSing to try to take damage and he was killed by robbiecon without ever taking any damage. Note to Self: Never give players any goal that requires them to be injured.
Verarde
Spoiler :
Okay, fine, we lied when we said everyone had at least 100 health.
We forgot about him. Basically, Verarde was pretty much immune to everything at night (He could only be rendered vulnerable by Earthling's Jarate) a fact the RED spies learned the hard way several times, but had only 20 Health, meaning he'd die from pretty much any votes at all. Verarde pretty much lurked for most of the game, which is a perfect example of how not to play an innocent who's bulletproof. He could have seriously hurt the RED's by pretending to be a power role or, hell, just trying to draw more attention to himself. On the other hand, he could have also gotten the 2-3 votes required to kill him.Pyros:
CivGeneral
Spoiler :
The Spy-Scanner, and the closest thing to an Alignment Scanner in the game. CivGeneral's Spy-Check would turn up a "Yes" for all of the RED Spies, as long as they weren't Cloaking, but it also turned up a "Yes" for Visorslash and Jarrema's BLU Spy roles (not MartinLuther's, both to complicate the scan a bit and to prevent MartinLuther's hiding ability from giving us a headache), and it couldn't detect robbiecon on account of his scan-immunity.
Amusingly, he completed his Personal Goal- by scanning both Visorslash and Jarrema.
Also amusingly, DaveShack got his ability twice and hit RED Spies with both of them.Kennigit
Spoiler :
Kennigit had the ability to do more damage on people who weren't in first place. He frequently made a point of not being on the first-place vote. Sadly, he never came anywhere near completing his goal, as the ability to lynch multiple people in one round was a woefully underused mechanic in this game.
Zack
Spoiler :
A class-scanner, useful in some instances. I think I said a while ago that his scan couldn't go through the RED Spies' Cover Roles (or robbiecon's or mythmonster's, for that matter), so it would appear to have limited use- but it could have been combined with CivGeneral's scan to definitively prove someone was a Spy (since CivGeneral's scan would say they're a Spy, while Zack's would say they're not), or even catch the GREEN Spy (robbiecon's cover role was a BLU Spy, so Zack's scan would say he was a Spy while CivGeneral's would say he wasn't). At the very least, it could have let Zack see if someone was lying or go find other people to innocent-network-with/talk to.
Demomen:
SouthernKing
Spoiler :
SouthernKing was just a standard Vengeful Lynchee. Sadly for his personal goal, all of the Demomen got lynched by half-way through the game, and he also ended up blowing up Zack with his Vengeful Lynchee ability when both of them became the top suspects on Day 3. The game certainly could have gone better for him.
mgsmuhammad
Spoiler :
Omega124
Spoiler :
Omega was a Double Voter. He role was an almost exact copy of Buddhafish's Cover Role, which would have created an interesting situation if either of them ever tried to role claim. His role never amounted to much, as he missed a few votes, and the only time it ever made a difference was Day One, when he created a 3-way-tie and almost got Double A lynched. Funnily, his Personal Goal was still completable until the final day, due to the surprising longevity of all of the Engineers.
BLU continued...
Heavies:
Seon
The hunter of the Sandvich. If Seon had scanned The Sandvich, his new ability would have simply been to eat the Sandvich, which would have completed his PG and healed him to full health. Unfortunately, The Sandvich was RRRaskolnikov's first vig target. Seon also had an damage-increasing ability that was basically the opposite of Takhisis's, but he never used it.
JoanK
The second of the three roleblockers, JoanK could roleblock passive abilities, with his roleblock working on anyone but the RED Spies' Disguise Kits. He died too early to do anything, only roleblocking Double A (thanks to the Bus Driver), who had no passive abilities aside from the Disguise Kit, on Night 1. Although JoanK couldn't really have done much to the RED's aside from taking away the boosts that Buddhafish and DarthNader's kill abilities had, he could have seriously hurt robbiecon, as robbiecon would have temporarily lost his tiebreaker ability, scan immunity, and ability-copying if JoanK had ever roleblocked him.
Takhisis
Takhisis's ability basically let him be a big damage-sponge, and he did an excellent job of surviving epic amounts of damage until robbiecon killed him. Hell, he probably would have survived even without his ability thanks largely to Joecoolyo bussing Mergle's ability away from Takhisis twice. With it, he took epic amounts of damage and had about 150 remaining health when he died, which was more than the max health of most of the players still alive when he died.
Engineers:
Methos/Turquoiside
We decided to give a couple of the Engineers multiple levels of abilities to correspond to the multiple levels of the Teleporters/Sentries/Dispensers they can build in TF2. We did that for this one and electric, and thought about doing it for the Teleporter until we decided we couldn't find a way to make it make sense. So anyway, he was a protector with a chance of failing. All 3 of the sentries were attempted to be built multiple times, and Methos successfully built one to protect himself and one to protect CivGeneral, while Turquoiside successfully built one to protect himself after he replaced Methos. They both mostly only tried to protect themselves.
electric926
A fairly standard healer, he completed his Personal Goal after healing two different people 40 Health (I forget who), although he waited well longer than 3 nights to Heal the first time. electric was the first Engineer to be killed, on Night 9, after all of the Demomen, BLU Spies, and Pyros were dead. Yeah, the Engineers all lived a long time.
Joecoolyo/topsecret
The Bus Driver. Joecoolyo made decent use of his ability on the first two nights to help Takhisis avoid some trouble, screw around with tailless's healing, and generally cause interesting things to happen. He proceeded to never use the ability again. Topsecret resumed use of it after replacing Joe, and proceeded to get roleblocked twice, attempted to bus the untargetable Verarde, and finally got in one use of his ability on the final night to switch DaveShack and robbiecon, who hadn't been targeted by anyone.
DaveShack
Perhaps one of the most interesting roles in the entire game, and certainly one of the most versatile. Basically, at the end of every day phase, I RNG'ed numbers and gave DaveShack whatever I got back. He could only gain active abilites, not passive ones or any of the Vengeful Lynchee abilities, and he also couldn't gain any of the RED Spies' abilities- if he rolled one of their numbers, he'd instead get the abilities of their cover role. As it turned out, it didn't matter much, as the only two times that happened were late when he got robbiecon's cover ability (which was an Invisibility Cloak) and classical_hero's (which was exactly the same as his actual ability). He ended up using most of the abilities he had, but ended the game with 5 that he had never used.
The RNG was kind of weird, though- there were, by my possibly inaccurate count, 27 abilities DaveShack could have gotten, and he still ended up getting CivGeneral's ability twice, Earthling's ability twice, and Red_Spy's ability 3 times.
Had he gotten an ability like electric's or RRRaskolnikov's that increases in power over time when not used, we probably would have just given him an ability half-way between the weakest and strongest forms of that.
Medics:
Skwink
Skwink was pretty much a basic doctor, with a healing ability added in just for the heck of it. Obviously, a pretty important role, as he was the only person on Team BLU who could protect without any limitations. So, of course, he was inactive for most of the game, and only ever protected two people who weren't being attacked.
robbiecon eventually killed him, and of course, didn't use the ability he gained from doing so, not that it would have done him much good to use it.
Red_Spy
A Heal/Damage ability. Could have been interesting if he had ever actually used it, but I can see why he frequently didn't. DaveShack gained it three times with his ability and used it twice, both times to heal Takhisis. Other than that, Red_Spy didn't do much.
taillesskangaru
tailless was a mass-healer who was responsible for a lot of people suddenly feeling slightly healthier. He also healed a lot of people who hadn't taken any damage, a couple of people who died despite his healing, and a couple of RED Spies. He also attempted to heal JoanK a couple of nights after he died. Overall, he probably did more good than harm, although I'm not sure if he was able to keep anyone alive longer than they otherwise would have lived(except maybe Takhisis, who he healed several times).
Mergle
The only Medic with a fully offensive ability, Mergle could have potentially caused a lot of people in second or third place in the voting to get closer to death. He ended up not, first because Joecoolyo kept bus driving his targets to people who weren't receiving any votes, and then because robbiecon killed him.
Mergle's Kritzkrieg works pretty much the opposite of the one in game, which grants the damage-increase to the person being Kritzkrieged rather than the people hitting the one being Kritzkrieged, but we did that with a couple of roles.
Heavies:
Seon
Spoiler :
The hunter of the Sandvich. If Seon had scanned The Sandvich, his new ability would have simply been to eat the Sandvich, which would have completed his PG and healed him to full health. Unfortunately, The Sandvich was RRRaskolnikov's first vig target. Seon also had an damage-increasing ability that was basically the opposite of Takhisis's, but he never used it.
JoanK
Spoiler :
The second of the three roleblockers, JoanK could roleblock passive abilities, with his roleblock working on anyone but the RED Spies' Disguise Kits. He died too early to do anything, only roleblocking Double A (thanks to the Bus Driver), who had no passive abilities aside from the Disguise Kit, on Night 1. Although JoanK couldn't really have done much to the RED's aside from taking away the boosts that Buddhafish and DarthNader's kill abilities had, he could have seriously hurt robbiecon, as robbiecon would have temporarily lost his tiebreaker ability, scan immunity, and ability-copying if JoanK had ever roleblocked him.
Takhisis
Spoiler :
Takhisis's ability basically let him be a big damage-sponge, and he did an excellent job of surviving epic amounts of damage until robbiecon killed him. Hell, he probably would have survived even without his ability thanks largely to Joecoolyo bussing Mergle's ability away from Takhisis twice. With it, he took epic amounts of damage and had about 150 remaining health when he died, which was more than the max health of most of the players still alive when he died.
Engineers:
Methos/Turquoiside
Spoiler :
We decided to give a couple of the Engineers multiple levels of abilities to correspond to the multiple levels of the Teleporters/Sentries/Dispensers they can build in TF2. We did that for this one and electric, and thought about doing it for the Teleporter until we decided we couldn't find a way to make it make sense. So anyway, he was a protector with a chance of failing. All 3 of the sentries were attempted to be built multiple times, and Methos successfully built one to protect himself and one to protect CivGeneral, while Turquoiside successfully built one to protect himself after he replaced Methos. They both mostly only tried to protect themselves.
electric926
Spoiler :
A fairly standard healer, he completed his Personal Goal after healing two different people 40 Health (I forget who), although he waited well longer than 3 nights to Heal the first time. electric was the first Engineer to be killed, on Night 9, after all of the Demomen, BLU Spies, and Pyros were dead. Yeah, the Engineers all lived a long time.
Joecoolyo/topsecret
Spoiler :
The Bus Driver. Joecoolyo made decent use of his ability on the first two nights to help Takhisis avoid some trouble, screw around with tailless's healing, and generally cause interesting things to happen. He proceeded to never use the ability again. Topsecret resumed use of it after replacing Joe, and proceeded to get roleblocked twice, attempted to bus the untargetable Verarde, and finally got in one use of his ability on the final night to switch DaveShack and robbiecon, who hadn't been targeted by anyone.
DaveShack
Spoiler :
Perhaps one of the most interesting roles in the entire game, and certainly one of the most versatile. Basically, at the end of every day phase, I RNG'ed numbers and gave DaveShack whatever I got back. He could only gain active abilites, not passive ones or any of the Vengeful Lynchee abilities, and he also couldn't gain any of the RED Spies' abilities- if he rolled one of their numbers, he'd instead get the abilities of their cover role. As it turned out, it didn't matter much, as the only two times that happened were late when he got robbiecon's cover ability (which was an Invisibility Cloak) and classical_hero's (which was exactly the same as his actual ability). He ended up using most of the abilities he had, but ended the game with 5 that he had never used.
The RNG was kind of weird, though- there were, by my possibly inaccurate count, 27 abilities DaveShack could have gotten, and he still ended up getting CivGeneral's ability twice, Earthling's ability twice, and Red_Spy's ability 3 times.
Had he gotten an ability like electric's or RRRaskolnikov's that increases in power over time when not used, we probably would have just given him an ability half-way between the weakest and strongest forms of that.
Medics:
Skwink
Spoiler :
Skwink was pretty much a basic doctor, with a healing ability added in just for the heck of it. Obviously, a pretty important role, as he was the only person on Team BLU who could protect without any limitations. So, of course, he was inactive for most of the game, and only ever protected two people who weren't being attacked.
robbiecon eventually killed him, and of course, didn't use the ability he gained from doing so, not that it would have done him much good to use it.Red_Spy
Spoiler :
A Heal/Damage ability. Could have been interesting if he had ever actually used it, but I can see why he frequently didn't. DaveShack gained it three times with his ability and used it twice, both times to heal Takhisis. Other than that, Red_Spy didn't do much.
taillesskangaru
Spoiler :
tailless was a mass-healer who was responsible for a lot of people suddenly feeling slightly healthier. He also healed a lot of people who hadn't taken any damage, a couple of people who died despite his healing, and a couple of RED Spies. He also attempted to heal JoanK a couple of nights after he died. Overall, he probably did more good than harm, although I'm not sure if he was able to keep anyone alive longer than they otherwise would have lived(except maybe Takhisis, who he healed several times).
Mergle
Spoiler :
The only Medic with a fully offensive ability, Mergle could have potentially caused a lot of people in second or third place in the voting to get closer to death. He ended up not, first because Joecoolyo kept bus driving his targets to people who weren't receiving any votes, and then because robbiecon killed him.
Mergle's Kritzkrieg works pretty much the opposite of the one in game, which grants the damage-increase to the person being Kritzkrieged rather than the people hitting the one being Kritzkrieged, but we did that with a couple of roles.
BLU continued...
Snipers:
RRRaskolnikov/johnhughthom
A standard vigilante, aside from the charge (which we ended up deciding happens automatically if no attack order was sent), which we put in to balance out the large number of damage abilities that existed, and cause that's the way the in-game Sniper Rifle works. Even so, 100 was enough to kill some people. Ras ended up using it to charge-kill mythmonster to anti-climactically kill his epic role, then shot Double A twice to kill him and shot Jarrema, who died thanks to mgsmuhammad's bombing bringing him below 100 health. Then Ras went AWOL, and the Sniper Rifle would not be used again until he killed Red_Spy with it, and was instantly thereafter killed by the RED's after they correctly guessed he was a Vigilante.
Earthling
Earthling was another entry in the list of innocent roles who didn't see their abilities get used to their full potential, due to his Night One death. DaveShack got his ability twice, but never used it. Too bad- he was one of the three people who could break the Spies' cloak, and the only person who could target Verarde successfully. His PG was also one of a couple that could have hinted to some of the BLUs that yes, all of the REDs were Spies.
Optical
How appropriate that someone named Optical would get a role that can watch people... he did an okay job of it, and completed his PG many times over by watching CivGeneral on Night 4. Unfortunately, his watching of CivGeneral scan Visorslash and subsequent reveal hurt the BLU's a lot, and sent him to the top of the RED Spies' kill list. But then again, a lot of bad things happened for the innocents around that time, and frequently over the course of the entire game, for that matter.
Spies:
MartinLuther
Basically, MartinLuther was a hider, only with anything targeting the other player having a chance of hitting him and a chance of hitting said player. It would have been an interesting ability had he ever gotten the chance to use it. Unfortunately, he didn't, and unfortunately for his PG, the BLU Spies were the fastest class to die- Jarrema, the longest-lived one, was killed by RRRsakolnikov on Night 5.
Jarrema
An ability-copier. Basically, the way Jarrema's ability works is that he copies someone's ability, then has their abilities for the next day and night, then copies an ability two nights later, and has that ability for the next day and night, and so on. This could have had a lot of interesting uses, and I would have lolled had he or DaveShack ever gotten the other's ability. But then he died, having only copied JoanK's ability to roleblock someone he couldn't roleblock and CivGeneral's to get a scan on the night he died. Like DaveShack, he could only copy the cover abilities of RED Spies, The Sandvich, and robbiecon.
Visorslash
Visorslash had a fairly lame ability in comparison to some of the others, and we must apologize for that, and all of the other lame abilities we created. Basically, all it could do was block the RED Spies' cloaking or stop the Bleeding effect of NinjaCow's ability. It could have been useful if the RED Spies ever used their cloaks, but even so, it wasn't a very useful ability.
Alright, that's all of the BLU's. On to everyone else:
The Sandvich
mythmonster2
The 5 Hats were randomly distributed at the start of the game, ending up in the hands of, IIRC, CivGeneral, Backwards, Methos, Takhisis, and robbiecon, which gave robbiecon perhaps the longest role PM ever. If the person who had the hat died while still having it, it would have randomly gone to someone else. mythmonster never got any of them on account of his early death. He almost stole Takhisis' hat on Night 1, but Joecoolyo's Bus Driving prevented that. After mythmonster died, I pretty much forgot about all the hats completely.
Aside from that, he was a pretty bland survivor, and I wish we could have done something more with it like we did with robbiecon, and I certainly wish he hadn't died on Night 2. His Healing Ability meant that anything less than an insta-kill or a lot of small damage that added up to 300 could never kill him, so of course he got insta-killed on Night 2. Le Sigh.
Still, it was a nice role, and it might have been able to do great things if not for getting killed so early. At the very least it would have given Seon something to do.
The GREEN Spy
robbiecon
An incredibly complicated role within a role within a role. We took inspiration from a lot of others to create the basic outline of it. The biggest one that I can remember: The name and double cover role idea both came from Those Darn States, or more specifically, the Ancient Multi-Hued Spycrab (we debated making it a Spycrab until we made it the Green Spy) and Moriarty in that game.
So, anyway, robbiecon had a seriously powerful role- He was a Tiebreaking, Scan-Immune, Mafia-Infiltrating, Serial Killer who could temporarily copy people's abilities upon killing them. Looking back at the game, the Scan-Immunity did him no good, as he was never scanned, he only broke one or two ties (the only one for first place being the tie on day 1 that killed MartinLuther), and although he copied a lot of abilities, he never used most of them. The only two he did use were Buddhafish's and mechaerik's, and both of them actually let someone else live a day longer than they otherwise would have, so before you say it's overpowered, his ability-copying ability ended up hurting him more than it helped him. Of course, it could have done more for him, and in retrospect, we probably gave this role a little too much. To be fair to us, we didn't make it with the expectation that the RNG would give it to robbiecon.
The "If you do the kill for RED Team" weakness didn't actually exist, it was just meant to give him a reason he could point to to not have to do the RED Team Kill.
Robbiecon did a pretty brilliant job of playing the role and convincing the RED's that he was one of them. I still say it was perfectly possible to kill him several times over, and perfectly possible to catch him, and he lucked out several times, but I'll nonetheless concede that his role could use a bit of tweaking. And I admit that my own laziness in sending the RED Spies' night results to their QT rather than individually probably helped him a lot, and may have been a mistake.
Snipers:
RRRaskolnikov/johnhughthom
Spoiler :
A standard vigilante, aside from the charge (which we ended up deciding happens automatically if no attack order was sent), which we put in to balance out the large number of damage abilities that existed, and cause that's the way the in-game Sniper Rifle works. Even so, 100 was enough to kill some people. Ras ended up using it to charge-kill mythmonster to anti-climactically kill his epic role, then shot Double A twice to kill him and shot Jarrema, who died thanks to mgsmuhammad's bombing bringing him below 100 health. Then Ras went AWOL, and the Sniper Rifle would not be used again until he killed Red_Spy with it, and was instantly thereafter killed by the RED's after they correctly guessed he was a Vigilante.
Earthling
Spoiler :
Earthling was another entry in the list of innocent roles who didn't see their abilities get used to their full potential, due to his Night One death. DaveShack got his ability twice, but never used it. Too bad- he was one of the three people who could break the Spies' cloak, and the only person who could target Verarde successfully. His PG was also one of a couple that could have hinted to some of the BLUs that yes, all of the REDs were Spies.
Optical
Spoiler :
How appropriate that someone named Optical would get a role that can watch people... he did an okay job of it, and completed his PG many times over by watching CivGeneral on Night 4. Unfortunately, his watching of CivGeneral scan Visorslash and subsequent reveal hurt the BLU's a lot, and sent him to the top of the RED Spies' kill list. But then again, a lot of bad things happened for the innocents around that time, and frequently over the course of the entire game, for that matter.
Spies:
MartinLuther
Spoiler :
Basically, MartinLuther was a hider, only with anything targeting the other player having a chance of hitting him and a chance of hitting said player. It would have been an interesting ability had he ever gotten the chance to use it. Unfortunately, he didn't, and unfortunately for his PG, the BLU Spies were the fastest class to die- Jarrema, the longest-lived one, was killed by RRRsakolnikov on Night 5.
Jarrema
Spoiler :
An ability-copier. Basically, the way Jarrema's ability works is that he copies someone's ability, then has their abilities for the next day and night, then copies an ability two nights later, and has that ability for the next day and night, and so on. This could have had a lot of interesting uses, and I would have lolled had he or DaveShack ever gotten the other's ability. But then he died, having only copied JoanK's ability to roleblock someone he couldn't roleblock and CivGeneral's to get a scan on the night he died. Like DaveShack, he could only copy the cover abilities of RED Spies, The Sandvich, and robbiecon.
Visorslash
Spoiler :
Visorslash had a fairly lame ability in comparison to some of the others, and we must apologize for that, and all of the other lame abilities we created. Basically, all it could do was block the RED Spies' cloaking or stop the Bleeding effect of NinjaCow's ability. It could have been useful if the RED Spies ever used their cloaks, but even so, it wasn't a very useful ability.
Alright, that's all of the BLU's. On to everyone else:
The Sandvich
mythmonster2
Spoiler :
The 5 Hats were randomly distributed at the start of the game, ending up in the hands of, IIRC, CivGeneral, Backwards, Methos, Takhisis, and robbiecon, which gave robbiecon perhaps the longest role PM ever. If the person who had the hat died while still having it, it would have randomly gone to someone else. mythmonster never got any of them on account of his early death. He almost stole Takhisis' hat on Night 1, but Joecoolyo's Bus Driving prevented that. After mythmonster died, I pretty much forgot about all the hats completely.
Aside from that, he was a pretty bland survivor, and I wish we could have done something more with it like we did with robbiecon, and I certainly wish he hadn't died on Night 2. His Healing Ability meant that anything less than an insta-kill or a lot of small damage that added up to 300 could never kill him, so of course he got insta-killed on Night 2. Le Sigh.
Still, it was a nice role, and it might have been able to do great things if not for getting killed so early. At the very least it would have given Seon something to do.
The GREEN Spy
robbiecon
Spoiler :
An incredibly complicated role within a role within a role. We took inspiration from a lot of others to create the basic outline of it. The biggest one that I can remember: The name and double cover role idea both came from Those Darn States, or more specifically, the Ancient Multi-Hued Spycrab (we debated making it a Spycrab until we made it the Green Spy) and Moriarty in that game.
So, anyway, robbiecon had a seriously powerful role- He was a Tiebreaking, Scan-Immune, Mafia-Infiltrating, Serial Killer who could temporarily copy people's abilities upon killing them. Looking back at the game, the Scan-Immunity did him no good, as he was never scanned, he only broke one or two ties (the only one for first place being the tie on day 1 that killed MartinLuther), and although he copied a lot of abilities, he never used most of them. The only two he did use were Buddhafish's and mechaerik's, and both of them actually let someone else live a day longer than they otherwise would have, so before you say it's overpowered, his ability-copying ability ended up hurting him more than it helped him. Of course, it could have done more for him, and in retrospect, we probably gave this role a little too much. To be fair to us, we didn't make it with the expectation that the RNG would give it to robbiecon.
The "If you do the kill for RED Team" weakness didn't actually exist, it was just meant to give him a reason he could point to to not have to do the RED Team Kill.
Robbiecon did a pretty brilliant job of playing the role and convincing the RED's that he was one of them. I still say it was perfectly possible to kill him several times over, and perfectly possible to catch him, and he lucked out several times, but I'll nonetheless concede that his role could use a bit of tweaking. And I admit that my own laziness in sending the RED Spies' night results to their QT rather than individually probably helped him a lot, and may have been a mistake.
Team RED:
RED Team PM:
The Disguise Kit was pretty much just flavor, establishing that they were using it to disguise as their cover roles. It didn't impact the game much.
DarthCaesar/Autolycus/mayor
A tracker, and a pretty standard one. One of the RED Spies I was hoping would be able to use their ability to infiltrate innocent networks and stuff. He could have also watched robbiecon and instantly discovered robbiecon was not who he says he is. Ended up being replaced twice, and then mayor said he had to leave on the night that he died. I think this is a record for inactivity of one individual role.
Buddhafish
Buddhafish could kill people through protection- but only through protection, making him pretty specialized. He ended up killing CivGeneral on Night 5 with the full knowledge that CivGeneral was protected, and then attacked the unprotected Takhisis, and got killed by robbiecon. Overall, he was one of the best RED Spies, and probably the only one who was never under any suspicion at all.
BSmith1068
One of the two mafia Vengeful Lynchees. He quickly got noticed by a lot of innocents as scummy, especially DaveShack and Zack. So the RED Spies decided to bus him and Vengeful Lynchee Kennigit. Not a particularly valuable target, but he was able to complete his Personal Goal with it, at least.
DarthNader
A Spy with nothing more or less than the ability to heal on kills. That ability did DarthNader little good, as he never took much damage until robbiecon decided to bus him and ultimately kill him. On the other hand, DarthNader did manage to heal with his ability at the same time as his death, so at least he completed his Personal Goal.
He was the only Spy that ever used his cloaking ability, and only a few times. I'm disappointed- everyone that could break through it died by the 4th day, unless you count DaveShack, and he could only break through cloaking if he was lucky enough to gain such an ability.
mechaerik
The Third Roleblocker, the Mafia Roleblocker. He could block most of the BLUs, and I'm still not quite sure how we decided on those specific classes. Anyway, he could block any of those classes active abilities. He could also reset the "Timers" on the abilities Methos/Turq, electric, and Ras/john, making them wait for their abilities to charge again, and he could make DaveShack's Metal not give him an ability the following Day. He used his ability to great effect, stopping a lot of people from doing potentially important things, and survived despite frequent suspicion by the BLU's. Eventually, robbiecon killed him, stole his ability, and used it to block mayor on the final night- which funnily prevented mayor from killing topsecret, causing the game to somewhat pointlessly drag on for one more day.
classical_hero
The Mafia HP Scanner. classical did a good job of helping the REDs figure out what a lot of the roles could possibly be, and got his PG complete very quickly by scanning JoanK on Night 2 and killing him the following night. Eventually, robbiecon bussed him and got DaveShack to scan him, which makes me surprised that that even needed to happen to make his scumminess obvious, and that none of the REDs ever noticed robbiecon's constant bussing.
RED Team PM:
Spoiler :
The Disguise Kit was pretty much just flavor, establishing that they were using it to disguise as their cover roles. It didn't impact the game much.
DarthCaesar/Autolycus/mayor
Spoiler :
A tracker, and a pretty standard one. One of the RED Spies I was hoping would be able to use their ability to infiltrate innocent networks and stuff. He could have also watched robbiecon and instantly discovered robbiecon was not who he says he is. Ended up being replaced twice, and then mayor said he had to leave on the night that he died. I think this is a record for inactivity of one individual role.
Buddhafish
Spoiler :
Buddhafish could kill people through protection- but only through protection, making him pretty specialized. He ended up killing CivGeneral on Night 5 with the full knowledge that CivGeneral was protected, and then attacked the unprotected Takhisis, and got killed by robbiecon. Overall, he was one of the best RED Spies, and probably the only one who was never under any suspicion at all.
BSmith1068
Spoiler :
One of the two mafia Vengeful Lynchees. He quickly got noticed by a lot of innocents as scummy, especially DaveShack and Zack. So the RED Spies decided to bus him and Vengeful Lynchee Kennigit. Not a particularly valuable target, but he was able to complete his Personal Goal with it, at least.
DarthNader
Spoiler :
A Spy with nothing more or less than the ability to heal on kills. That ability did DarthNader little good, as he never took much damage until robbiecon decided to bus him and ultimately kill him. On the other hand, DarthNader did manage to heal with his ability at the same time as his death, so at least he completed his Personal Goal.
He was the only Spy that ever used his cloaking ability, and only a few times. I'm disappointed- everyone that could break through it died by the 4th day, unless you count DaveShack, and he could only break through cloaking if he was lucky enough to gain such an ability.
mechaerik
Spoiler :
The Third Roleblocker, the Mafia Roleblocker. He could block most of the BLUs, and I'm still not quite sure how we decided on those specific classes. Anyway, he could block any of those classes active abilities. He could also reset the "Timers" on the abilities Methos/Turq, electric, and Ras/john, making them wait for their abilities to charge again, and he could make DaveShack's Metal not give him an ability the following Day. He used his ability to great effect, stopping a lot of people from doing potentially important things, and survived despite frequent suspicion by the BLU's. Eventually, robbiecon killed him, stole his ability, and used it to block mayor on the final night- which funnily prevented mayor from killing topsecret, causing the game to somewhat pointlessly drag on for one more day.
classical_hero
Spoiler :
The Mafia HP Scanner. classical did a good job of helping the REDs figure out what a lot of the roles could possibly be, and got his PG complete very quickly by scanning JoanK on Night 2 and killing him the following night. Eventually, robbiecon bussed him and got DaveShack to scan him, which makes me surprised that that even needed to happen to make his scumminess obvious, and that none of the REDs ever noticed robbiecon's constant bussing.
RED continued...
Double A
Basically the same as BSmith, only replace Sniper with Pyro. They were both pretty much the same role that we created after we ran out of ideas, for the last role or two. We would have cut one of them if we'd gotten fewer sign-ups.
Had an interesting time of narrowly avoiding death on Day 1, followed by a few days of silliness, followed by being shot to death by RRRaskolnikov.
And... that's all the roles. Whew, that didn't take long enough.
Double A
Spoiler :
Basically the same as BSmith, only replace Sniper with Pyro. They were both pretty much the same role that we created after we ran out of ideas, for the last role or two. We would have cut one of them if we'd gotten fewer sign-ups.
Had an interesting time of narrowly avoiding death on Day 1, followed by a few days of silliness, followed by being shot to death by RRRaskolnikov.
And... that's all the roles. Whew, that didn't take long enough.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
Quite simply a mafia game is a minority of people in the know and the rest of them are in the dark. The fact that gave inside knowledge to someone who is meant to be in the dark gave them so much power. The fact that he was hard to find in the first place meant he was a tough role to get rid of. The fact that I got bussed by a neutral player is not a great result for me, since the knowledge of who I am would not have been known to him. I would have no complaints about Robbiecon's victory if he was not given the info of who was the mafia and thus allow him to eliminate whom he wanted when he wanted. You will see that the town only one mafia member of its own will. Now if Robbiecon was able to convince the town he was one of them, as his ability was, then sure he could have don great damage to us, then we would have been suspicious of him, so I think it is an hollow victory by basically giving him the game.
kill fire
Enormous Midget
Was it really that bad? The green spy role was mostly my idea, looking back on it he probably could have been toned down a bit, but I thought the role was mostly okay. Then again, it's been a long time since I've played a mafia game, and most of the ones I've played in the past haven't had any roles beyond mafia and innocent. If it really was that gamebreaking, I apologize.
Although you must admit that robbiecon actually did play a pretty good game regardless.
And again, part of it was luck. If, say, robbiecon was randomvigged or something really early in the game, then all the townies would be complaining that 7 RED Mafia was too much for a game of this size, and if all kinds of bad things happened to both of you and the town won, someone would be complaining about the town.
So yes, robbiecon's role was probably a bit too powerful, but it wasn't game-breaking, and he dominated more by playing a great game than by being powerful. A better version would probably have been to make it more clear that he existed and give the RED's a better idea that something was up, and a better version also probably would have been 6 REDs instead of 7, because honestly, that made both you guys and robbiecon more powerful.
So yes, robbiecon's role was probably a bit too powerful, but it wasn't game-breaking, and he dominated more by playing a great game than by being powerful. A better version would probably have been to make it more clear that he existed and give the RED's a better idea that something was up, and a better version also probably would have been 6 REDs instead of 7, because honestly, that made both you guys and robbiecon more powerful.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
I have no problem with the role itself, just the fact that he was included in with the mafia. Since he had inside knowledge no one else had, that made even more powerful, my complaint is simply he should not have been given the info of all the Red team, since he was on a different team.
Zack
99% hot gas
Fixed that to truly reflect your feelings.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
I can handle defeat. What I can't handle is what happened here.
What I can't handle is what happened here.
Zack
99% hot gas
Well, "what happened here" is defeat.I can handle defeat.
mythmonster2
BEC NOIR! RUN!
Dammit, I was the only person who lost? Thanks for nothing, Ras!
johnhughthom
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No, robbie was a footballistic rival, your lot will soon cease to exist.
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