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Tech Tree Help

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Creation & Customization' started by pap1723, Feb 28, 2003.

  1. pap1723

    pap1723 Chieftain

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    Hey guys, I have been working on a tech tree for my Armored branch of the WWII scenario I have been working on and I have all of the techs I want, but I cannot seem to fit it well onto a science advisor screen. I gave it a rough test, and I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me fix the following mess...

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  2. Procifica

    Procifica ACW Scenario Creator

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    Agreed, that is a bit of a mess. :)
     
  3. pap1723

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    Do you have AOL, MSN or ICQ?

    Contact me...

    AOLIM - PapWR17
    MSN - pap1723@hotmail.com
    ICQ - 162705880
     
  4. Procifica

    Procifica ACW Scenario Creator

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    imp. medium tank is on there twice. As is Adv. Medium tank (twice). Actually, seems alot of techs are on there more than once.
     
  5. pap1723

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    That was done purposely, as they are the same basic tank design, but an upgrade on top of itself. For example, one of them will be the Panzer IV F2 and the next Imp. Medium Tank would be the Panzer IV H.

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    They actually aren't going to update into themselves, but instead upgrade into the conversions they were made to in the war...

    So the PzkW IV Ausf. F2 would upgrade into a Hummel or a JagdPanzer IV

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  7. Procifica

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    I don't believe I could help you though, as I'm having someone do a tech tree for me...

    Though what helped my tech tree look somewhat nice on a flow chart, was reducing the number of prerequsites down to 1 or 2 per tech, and no tech leading to more than 2 or 3 other techs. In some instances I added new techs to help reduce the clutter.
     
  8. Procifica

    Procifica ACW Scenario Creator

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    The PzkW IV is an interesting unit, if I recall correct there was D, E, F1, F2, G, and H versions of it.

    so I'm assuming then you'd be looking for a slightly different name for the duplicates?
     
  9. pap1723

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    Well, there are 3 versions of the PzKw IV in the game based on the numbers of the unit produced. It starts with the PzKw IV Ausf D which was the first mass produced version. Then the next version is the Ausf F2 which was the first version with the longer gun. And finally the Ausf H which had the side armor skirts and was built in the largest numbers.

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  10. Procifica

    Procifica ACW Scenario Creator

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    I remember playing a game which had all of the ones I mentioned above, and flipping through the units one by one, watching the small additions each time. Amusing.

    E also was fairly widely used.

    Looks like though you've done some serious research into this. The hummel though, wasn't that more of an AP tank?
     
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    Yes, the Hummel was a Self-Propelled Artillery unit, but it was based on the PzKw IV chassis.
     
  12. Procifica

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    That's what I was thinking of, it was more like Self-Propelled Artillery AP...

    The Elephante (spelling) I believe was the later version of the Hummel?

    Which tank destroyers are you going to be using?

    Again, this is very well thought out. If you need any assistance with your WWII scenario, just ask...I've done alot of reading over the years on WWII, and recently finished reading again "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich".
     
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    Well, here is the full list of the German/Axis (not Italy though) units...

    INFANTRY
    -Wehrmacht
    -Finnish Infantry
    -Panzerfaust Infantry
    -Waffen SS
    -Fallschirmjager
    -Alpine Infantry (Finland)

    TANKS
    -Pzkw II Ausf. F
    -Panzer III Ausf. G
    -Panzer III Ausf J
    -Panzer IV Ausf D
    -Panzer IV Ausf F2
    -Panzer IV Ausf. H
    -Panther Ausf D
    -Panther Ausf G
    -Panzer VI Tiger
    -Panzer VI Tiger II
    -Panzer VIII Maus
    -Panther II

    TANK DESTROYERS/ASSAULT GUNS
    -Hetzer Tank Destroyer
    -Marder III
    -Jagdpanzer IV
    -Jagdpanther V
    -Jagdtiger VI
    -Stug III Ausf B
    -Stug III Ausf G

    SP ARTILLERY
    -Wespe
    -Hummel
    -Stummorser Sturmtiger
    -sIG IB 150mm Artillery

    FIGHTERS
    -Me Bf 109E
    -Me Bf 109G
    -Fw.190A
    -Fw.190D
    -Me-262A Schwalbe

    BOMBERS
    -Heinkel He-111
    -Heinkel He-177
    -Junkers Ju-88

    DIVE BOMBERS
    -Junkers Ju-87D
    -Junkers Ju-87G
    -Me-262A Bomber

    NAVY
    -Graf Zeppelin Class CV
    -Bismarck Class BB
    -H Class BB
    -Deutschland Class CB
    -Hipper Class CA
    -Z Class DD
    -IXB U-Boat
    -VIIC U-Boat
    -XXI U-Boat

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  14. Procifica

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    What about Volksgrenadier? They were important in 1944/1945. Believe they were the people's army or something like that.

    Fighters, have you considered adding the Me-110?

    Regular Artillery and non-SP Anti-Tank guns seem to be missing.

    Ah, the Maus....only seen that in one game I've ever played. :) What a tank.

    I would hope that you will give the German tanks (particularly the later ones) the respect they deserve with regard to their American/British counterparts? Most Americans tend to overrate their own tanks in historical accounts.

    wow though, I must say....you've got all the major stuff....I mean pretty much ALL...I very very much look forward to this scenario.
     
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    Yes, the Volkstrum or Volksgrenadier were the people's army, or the home army, I may consider making them as a cheap no resource unit...

    I haven't added in any of the non SP weapons, haven't decided on exactly which ones, but the 88 will be in there for sure, as well as some others.

    Don't worry, I know the American tanks sucked!
    It took 3-5 Shermans to kill a Panther or Tiger, it will be accurately represented.

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    About the same figure I quoted in Yurt's WWII thread. (the 3 to 5 American tanks needed to kill 1 German)

    88 mm...love that anti-tank (anti-aircraft) gun. 37 mm and 50 mm are two older calibers that come to mind.

    I remember 150 mm and 170 mm for Artillery, and I think 120 as well.

    Are Romania and Hungary going to be separate from the Germans?
     
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    No, its going to start on December 7th 1941, so they will be with them, I haven't decided on if I'll add their infantry units to the German side to add flavour yet.

    Yep, all the calibers you mentioned will 90% likely be in there.

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  19. Procifica

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    Haven't played Civ 2 in a very long time...not since I reached a rating of over 2000% by 1900 and then my hard drive got fried.....(I was colonizing the Arctic by that point en masse for lack of room elsewhere)
     
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    The Romanians in particular did have a few tank units, that's why I was also asking about those two countries.
     

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