Tell me why Ron Paul is great

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Apparently he is latest fad on here.

From what I know he advocates isolationism and economic libertarianism, both utopias to the highest degree.

So why do people dig it?
 
I don't like Ron Paul.
 
He's the best of a bad lot. I've withheld outright support, but if push came to shove, he'd be a decent candidate. He's one of the few candidates that I don't utterly despise.

IMO, Dr. Paul is appealing because he is sincere*, and his most radical proposals (gold standard) can't possibly be implemented in just 4 years. I can see a Dr. Paul Presidency reducing the scope and level of the Patriot Act, reducing several Federal departments, and possibly tinkering with the tax structure. He won't have the ability to dismantle the Fed and revert to a gold standard. Since he won't be able to implement his most reactionary policies, they don't really 'count against him', and his strict-constructionist stance on the Constitution is appealing. At least we know where he stands.

His economic policies are broadly justifiable. Low taxes and few barriers to trade are no-brainer good things (from the libertarian/republican view, of course). A stable currency is a great thing to have; I just disagree with Dr. Paul on how to achieve that.

His social position is both a cop-out and designed to resonate with the old Republicans. It's a cop-out because "leave it to the states!" really sounds like dodging the question, especially regarding such 'important' issues abortion and gay marriage. However, it strikes a chord with many in the Republican Party's libertarian wing. It's also a stance I support: leaving such things to the states is the best solution, but it doesn't easily turn into a strong talking point.

I'll just end with a look at the Republican Party, and where Dr. Paul fits in there. IMO, it's got three grand factions: the fiscal conservatives, the social conservatives, and the defense hawks. Dr. Paul is pretty much made for the fiscal conservatives: free trade, low taxes, little regulation, small government, all that good jazz. He's got an uphill battle against the social conservatives, who want to see social issues become Federal priority. He's also alienated the defense hawks by opposing the Iraq war and wanting to cut government spending; cuts will probably be made in defense as well as social programs. Though he does make up for it by taking a strong stance against immigration.

Problems I have with Dr. Paul:
-Some of his economic policies would make the Fed meaningless, and even if he can't achieve those goals, it's a bad signal
-His immigration stance: he opposes illegal immigration, but I've never seen him talk about relaxing the quotas or simplifying the immigration process.
-He opposes Net Neutrality. It's not a major concern, but it is a bad signal.

He's the best of a bad lot. If push comes to shove, I'll vote for him in the primaries, because he's marginally better than the other Republicans. He won't make it much farther, though.

He's not ideal. He's not even necessarily good. But he's decent compared to the rest of the field.



-Integral

* I hate to use that word, but it's true; he doesn't come off like Romney or Guliani. Sincerity counts for very little, but it's something.
 
You heathen! Are you questioning the great Ron Paul!!! Now you shall suffer the consequences of your heresy!
 
Right now, I'm only comparing him to the Republican field, since those are his main competitors at this time.

...wow, that made it sound like he actually had a chance. Let me rephrase it. In the current uphill battle, the people he has to beat are fellow Republicans, so they are the context for examining his social/economic policies.


-Integral
 
such 'important' issues abortion and gay marriage.

:lol: :lol:

Not that I really agree with him on everything, but I think he's more concerned about the real issues we and/or you Americans are facing.

No, really, I think "leave it to the states" is a good response. Why should the presidency be involved in such social issues? To me it seems hilarious. And, I think he'd argue something like this "we don't need to enforce the same policy on every state... blah blah"
 
He's the best of a bad lot. If push comes to shove, I'll vote for him in the primaries, because he's marginally better than the other Republicans. He won't make it much farther, though.

He's not ideal. He's not even necessarily good. But he's decent compared to the rest of the field.

I'd consider him if I were participating in the Republican primaries (but the deadline to switch parties to vote in the primary was last week, not that I had the intention of doing so). The pro-life stance of his could be squared with libertarian ideologies and I'd prefer him cutting spending and taxes to what some of the other candidates may plan to do with the money. I wouldn't be on board with the whole "let's withdraw from everything" stance and going back to the gold standard smacks of "good old days" talk to me.

But hell, it's more refreshing than that silly argument over how many times Rudy Romney could recite the same random number over and over again or wrap themselves up in Reagan's clothing.
 
I don't think that Dr. Paul is an ideal candidate. I do have some disagreements with some of his ideas and policies, but he is far better than all of the other candidates out there. He is sincere in wanting to be a servant of the people and his record shows that. He is a proponent of freedom and liberty at every point, wanting Americans to take responsibility for themselves and live as they see fit, as long as they don't interfere with others' right to do the same.

In the end, I look at it from the point of view of what his presidency will do the for the nation, in effect. He wants to do a lot of things that would hurt us, but he can't do them all, because he still would have Congress to contend with. In the end, I would expect his presidency to have a massive net positive effect on the country.
 
Hahaha... I suppose you all expect me to say this, but it's true: I think Ron Paul is awful. I'm an Obamaite all the way.
 
he advocates isolationism

I didn't realise the position of not wanting to bomb people with different skin colours in far off countries was considered isolationism...

and economic libertarianism both utopias to the highest degree.

Nobody ever claimed they were utopias. They are just the least bad out of the many bad systems.
 
As an Unamerican, I think people are just thrashing around for a candidate who isn't a complete and utter tosspot. Hence the preference for Paul, who is merely quite a tosspot.
 
@Yankee and Princeps: I think that Dr. Paul's stance on abortion is clearly in-line with his libertarian tendencies. It's a good thing to get those issues out of the federal government's hands: the feds need to be concerned with more pressing issues. However, the states-rights argument on social issues does not resonate well with most of the Republican party.

@Yankee in particular: The Rudy/Romney dick-measuring contest over who had cut taxes more times than the other was disgraceful and immature. (For those keeping score at home, that was in the debate a week ago.) I died a little inside for the party, being reduced to that nonsense.


@Flour: Mr. Obma is an interesting candidate, because from what I've seen he's into ideals more than hard policy. (I haven't looked into him closely; if I mischaracterized him, I apologize.) By that I mean he's more into "we should have universal health inurance because people deserve a better life" and less into "my health insurance plan will cover these people, cost this much, and the revenue will be raised in this way". This means that he is under scrutiny from a different angle. If a candidate runs on ideals, then I want to have a good, hard look at his staff members. You know, the guys who have to turn lofty ideals into real policy. In the case of Mr. Obama, he needs to put together a crack team of expert policymakers who can turn his 'audacity of hope' into political reality. I judge him differently than I judge the more policy-oriented candidates like Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Guliani/Romney.

I just look at him a different way, that's all.


@Hitro: Mr. Gore would make an interesting run. I don't like him as a candidate, because the right would necessarily turn him into a one-issue campaign on global warming. No matter what he did to expand his campaign and tackle all the issues, the Republicans would drag everything back to his environmental stance. Not to mention that he lost (on a technicality) the last time he ran.

He's much better off doing his thing in the private sector and lobbying. That would be the best way for him to achieve his goals.


-Integral
 
He isn't that great. I'd vote for him over any of the Democratic candidates, and maybe over Giuliani, but I'd much rather have Romney, Thompson, or Huckabee than Ron Paul.
 
@Yankee and Princeps:

I think that Dr. Paul's stance on abortion is clearly in-line with his libertarian tendencies. It's a good thing to get those issues out of the federal government's hands: the feds need to be concerned with more pressing issues. However, the states-rights argument on social issues does not resonate well with most of the Republican party.

That might be my own bias against states' rights on such issues like marriage and abortion and my own observations of some choice libertarians that were mostly pro-choice.

But hey, I'm definitely no Libertarian/libertarian, so of course I'll have differently tinted glasses.

I do wish he'd spend his little time in the debates more wisely, however. But, I'm glad he's not as bad as Dennis Kucinich, who uses up his time complaining that he never has time.
 
It was nice of him to go to American to speak. A lot of my friends got to meet him.
 
Low taxes and few barriers to trade are no-brainer good things (from the libertarian/republican view, of course).

Low taxes are a no brainer.:lol: This is such a hilarious joke. Of course low taxes are great. But I look at Dr. Paul’s website and could not find specifically where he would cut government. The vast majority of the budget is defense, entitlements, and debt service. If you want to cut taxes further without showing how you balance the budget you are just a panderer. The problem is if you do make a serious proposal for deep cuts you will not win even in strong republican districts. I don’t know how you can take any candidate seriously until they tell you exactly what their vision of government is. The Dems and the people want government as is and with universal health care thrown in. The Republicans or Paul do not offer a serious alternative.
 
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