Temple of Artemis Question

[cgannon64]

I just captured the Temple of Artemis in a war, and it is very helpful for getting my new territory to expand its borders. Anyway, I checked in my cities that already had a Temple, and their temple now has no upkeep cost - meaning its a free temple from the wonder.

When the wonder expires with Education, what happens to my cities that had a temple before getting a free one? Do they have no temple, or do they go back to the old one?

I would be very, very pissed if my entire core suddenly had no temples...

 

[CIVPhilzilla]

I think since you built the temples beforehand they should remain standing, but I don't know. Your right that qould really suck building temples in your cities then having them disappear. That is why I haven't bothered building the Temple of Artemis.

 

[Gainy]

When you research education, all your cities which previously had temples(before building that wonder), will still have them - they will cost money again. Cities which didn't have temples, they will just go back to what they were like previously.

Hope that helps For future reference, there's a "Quick Answers" thread for quick questions like this...

 

[stivomali]

A good way to tell if you have a "real" temple is to try to sell it. If you're getting the free temple effect from Artemis, you won't have the option to sell. If you do, that temple will still be there when Artemis expires.

On a related note, if you have the Pyramids or Art of War (which don't expire), it's useful to check newly conquored cities to see if there's a "real" granary or barracks you can sell.

 

[SuperBettaFish]

Originally posted by stivomali
On a related note, if you have the Pyramids or Art of War (which don't expire), it's useful to check newly conquored cities to see if there's a "real" granary or barracks you can sell.

I thought when you conquere a city, all city improvements from previous civ are gone?

 

[The Last Conformist]

When you conquer a city, all culture-producing improvements are destroyed. In addition, about 50% of any other improvements are randomly destroyed.

 

[cgannon64]

OK, so in cities taht already have a temple, the Temple of Artemis just takes away the upkeep cost until it expires?

Good.

 

[DasScoot]

I'm in my first C3C game now and was a bit annoyed to find out that the Temple becomes obsolete, I had held off building temples in a few cities because I had it, but when it's obsolete they're all going to vanish and I can't build 'real' temples in them til that happens. :-/

 

[Bucephalus]

Originally posted by DasScoot
I'm in my first C3C game now and was a bit annoyed to find out that the Temple becomes obsolete, I had held off building temples in a few cities because I had it, but when it's obsolete they're all going to vanish and I can't build 'real' temples in them til that happens. :-/

I think the key to this is in the civilpedia. It states: "puts a temple in every city on the continent", and not "acts as a temple in every city etc.....". When it becomes obsolete those temples 'put' in your cities remain, there are just no new ones in cities built (or captured) after this event.

I've only built the ToA once but I'm fairly sure that's what happened.

 

[kring]

Originally posted by Bucephalus


I think the key to this is in the civilpedia. It states: "puts a temple in every city on the continent", and not "acts as a temple in every city etc.....". When it becomes obsolete those temples 'put' in your cities remain, there are just no new ones in cities built (or captured) after this event.

I've only built the ToA once but I'm fairly sure that's what happened.

The Temples that were ToA created disappear when ToA becomes obsolete. Only the ones you actually built will still be around.

 

[Archer 007]

By now people should know that the Civilpedia is never right.

 

[ChrTh]

So to sum up: ToA is lousy if you're going for a cultural victory. Getting education is like selling existing temples: you lose the 1000 year bonus and have to start from scratch for the building (unless it was prebuilt). You'd have to be expanding at a seriously fast rate for the instant temple to override the benefits of a built temple, and since those going for a cultural victory rarely expand quickly via conquest ...

ToA + GL = Education sucks!

 

[kring]

Originally posted by ChrTh
So to sum up: ToA is lousy if you're going for a cultural victory. Getting education is like selling existing temples: you lose the 1000 year bonus and have to start from scratch for the building (unless it was prebuilt). You'd have to be expanding at a seriously fast rate for the instant temple to override the benefits of a built temple, and since those going for a cultural victory rarely expand quickly via conquest ...

ToA + GL = Education sucks!

Correct.

The flip side is that if ToA didn't obsolete, then Cultural Wins could become too easy.

If I have either ToA or GL, then I delay gaining Education as long as possible most of the time.

 

[Trade-peror]

I also try to delay getting education, but usually I already have it before I have time to even start building ToA!

 

[socralynnek]

In the Conquests ToA or similar are really useful to expand your borders. If it was possible to build temples in a city even though you have ToA, it would still be better in Epic Game.

 

[Grille]

Agree with ChrTh and socralynnek.
ToA is rather useful to get some quick border expansions than a headstone for cultural victory. IIRC, free ToA temples always give you 2cpt - even if ToA is 1000 years old (and education is not researched yet). Formerly built 'real' temples give 4cpt after 1000 years.

 

[superslug]

ToA is extremely useful for me as a warmonger since I can duck Education and still get to Military Tradition.

 

[TerraHero]

Wonders add stuff and when they expire everything the wonder changed is reversed to before.

 

[Cedrick]

My understanding and experience with Wonders has been that they still generate the tourism benefit even after they become obsolete. All those camera bugs love to take pictures of things 1000+ years old 8)

 

[cgannon64]

I love this ToA. Its so great having my border instantly filled up after a war...none of those pesky AI settlers trying to sneak in a free city...