Term 2 - The Real Elections for the Judicary
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Donovan Zoi
The Return
Ahhh, another term, another Judiciary conundrum......
Under our Constitution and CoL, shouldn't the positions of Bootstoots and Octavian be considered vacancies and thefore subject to appointment by our President?
I repsectfully submit:
Unfortunately, I see nothing in any of the Three Books that suggests that refusing one office in favor of another nullifys the results of that election. To this extent, I believe that Octavian and Bootstoots have essentially resigned their posts and that President zorven must now make two appointments for Associate Justice.
Maybe I missed something, and if so, please respond. I will be requesting a Judicial Review on this as well.
Under our Constitution and CoL, shouldn't the positions of Bootstoots and Octavian be considered vacancies and thefore subject to appointment by our President?
I repsectfully submit:
Code:
[b]The Constitution[/b]
Article G. All elected positions shall have a fixed term. All vacant
elected positions shall be filled by appointment of a
citizen to fulfill the remainder of the term.
Code:
[b]Code of Laws[/b]
H. Vacant Positions
1. Leader positions that remain unfilled after an election
shall be filled via appointment by the President.
a. Any citizen may post a refusal poll within 24 hours
of the appointment.Unfortunately, I see nothing in any of the Three Books that suggests that refusing one office in favor of another nullifys the results of that election. To this extent, I believe that Octavian and Bootstoots have essentially resigned their posts and that President zorven must now make two appointments for Associate Justice.
Maybe I missed something, and if so, please respond. I will be requesting a Judicial Review on this as well.
zorven
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Isn't this fun DZ?
It appears Octavian X withdrew from the election before the end of the poll, whereas Bootstoots missed withdrawing by 5 minutes. Therefore the results would be: Ravensfire, Bootstoots, and myself. Bootstoots and myself both "resigned" to take other offices. This would leave 2 vacancies to be filled via apoointment.
That is if I didn't miss something!
It appears Octavian X withdrew from the election before the end of the poll, whereas Bootstoots missed withdrawing by 5 minutes. Therefore the results would be: Ravensfire, Bootstoots, and myself. Bootstoots and myself both "resigned" to take other offices. This would leave 2 vacancies to be filled via apoointment.
That is if I didn't miss something!
GenMarshall
High Elven ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
Well, I await Zorven to appoint me to AJ 
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I would like to point out that Octavian and I both withdrew from this election before it was concluded. It would therefore not be a resignation as we were never elected to the post in the first place.
That could be considered correct, but the poll was posted 25 minutes late (or so), but as the elections are supposed to close at 0:00 GMT on the 31st, my withdrawal could be considered a resignation.
ravensfire
Member of the Opposition
I would like to see the Election Office and the Moderators determine the results of this election.
Per our laws, the election process is run by the Election Office, supervised by the Moderators. Would those groups please get together to determine the official results of the election?
Based upon the official results as determined by those in charge of the election process, we will know where the Judiciary stands.
Until then, any other action or request is premature.
I do request that the Election Office and the Moderators expadite that process, and offer my apologies for making such a request.
-- Ravensfire
Per our laws, the election process is run by the Election Office, supervised by the Moderators. Would those groups please get together to determine the official results of the election?
Based upon the official results as determined by those in charge of the election process, we will know where the Judiciary stands.
Until then, any other action or request is premature.
I do request that the Election Office and the Moderators expadite that process, and offer my apologies for making such a request.
-- Ravensfire
zorven
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I think Bootstoots may be right that he withdrew rather than resigned. The law says:
c. Election polls shall start 4 days before the end of the month and run for 3 days.
Therefore, as long as the poll was still within its 3 days of life, Boots could be considered to have resigned.
c. Election polls shall start 4 days before the end of the month and run for 3 days.
Therefore, as long as the poll was still within its 3 days of life, Boots could be considered to have resigned.
Octavian X
is not a pipe.
Always glad to throw the ruleset into turmoil whenever I can... 
Christ, people, can't you just drop the formalities for once and save yourselves a heck of a lot of trouble?
Boots, myself, and zorven backed out. Let Strider get a spot, and let the last justice be appointed. Anyone who would want to file any sort of official complaint if my solution was used likely has too much time on his hands and should be shot.
*Octavian goes off babbling something about common sense...
Christ, people, can't you just drop the formalities for once and save yourselves a heck of a lot of trouble?
Boots, myself, and zorven backed out. Let Strider get a spot, and let the last justice be appointed. Anyone who would want to file any sort of official complaint if my solution was used likely has too much time on his hands and should be shot.
*Octavian goes off babbling something about common sense...
ravensfire
Member of the Opposition
Originally posted by Octavian X
Always glad to throw the ruleset into turmoil whenever I can...
Christ, people, can't you just drop the formalities for once and save yourselves a heck of a lot of trouble?
Boots, myself, and zorven backed out. Let Strider get a spot, and let the last justice be appointed. Anyone who would want to file any sort of official complaint if my solution was used likely has too much time on his hands and should be shot.
*Octavian goes off babbling something about common sense...
Octavian, Boots has posted exactly that in the Judicial thread. As an official of the Election Office, that's the solution!
zorven has also posted that he has appointed Peri to the vacant office.
The Judiciary thus is:
Chief Justice: Ravensfire
Associate Justice: Strider
Associate Justice: Peri (pending refusal poll)
-- Ravensfire
Donovan Zoi
The Return
Originally posted by Octavian X
Always glad to throw the ruleset into turmoil whenever I can...
Christ, people, can't you just drop the formalities for once and save yourselves a heck of a lot of trouble?
Boots, myself, and zorven backed out. Let Strider get a spot, and let the last justice be appointed. Anyone who would want to file any sort of official complaint if my solution was used likely has too much time on his hands and should be shot.
*Octavian goes off babbling something about common sense...
Common sense? I guess that was what I was lacking when I requested that our laws be interpreted properly.
Hopefully, I won't be put before the firing squad for requesting a Judicial Review on this matter, which is what I intend to do.
Bill_in_PDX
Grumpy Submariner
I would have to agree with Donovan here.
It is not so much as an issue of common sense, as much as it is an election. Something we ought not to be interested in expediency over accuracy.
I think it is an example of why combining the judicial election is a mess, especially when it appears half the people involved were only interested in judicial positions as back ups in case they lost their desired elections.
Using this example, we should open all elections to everyone.
It is not so much as an issue of common sense, as much as it is an election. Something we ought not to be interested in expediency over accuracy.
I think it is an example of why combining the judicial election is a mess, especially when it appears half the people involved were only interested in judicial positions as back ups in case they lost their desired elections.
Using this example, we should open all elections to everyone.
I am tired of all this quibbling over issues such as this one. When I posted that, I was sure that it would draw immediate bickering. I feel that my solution is a good and legal one; I see no laws against it. Both DZ's solution and mine are equally valid in this case. Let's just leave it at that.
Bill_in_PDX
Grumpy Submariner
So pointing out that we once again are screwing up our elections is bickering???????
