Terrorists fighting terrorism

[Grnscrpn]

Yo know its Funny and comical in a way for as long as there has been world conflicts since the 1950's there has always been two main sides the Us and the old and now dead USSR. Always each side supporting some group or faction to either topple or support regional conflicts the Americans supporting the South Koreans and south Vietnam, the Russians supporting north korea, and north Vietnam. the Soviets supporting the iran, while the US supports Iraq, the list is longer then this.

in the last 50 years in an effort to keep friendly dictators in power they have interfered in nearly every internal conflict or uprising in the the America's, and over sea's. Billions and Billions spent on keeping Communism from spreading, hundred of thousands of live lost and for what??? they have never before had problems supporting terrorists. It really Sickend me at the Sept 11 attacks but another part of me said someone finally brought it home to america.

let me say that again:

its not going to be about who wins and loses. Its going to be who writes the History.

you ask a Canadian and an American Student who one the war of 1812 they will each there country did.

 

[Grnscrpn]

none of us have seen any evidence linking anyone to the Sept 11 attacks it could turn out in 20 years to ahve been a CIA plot to boost anti-privacy laws and there funding. The US has been supporting Terrorist for so long im proud that they have felt the sting of what it feels like to be pushed around, but also totally saddend by the loss of life, there is no good reason for that kinda mass murder. No nation is perfect im Canadian and im Ashamed of out own history, we are no better then anyone else.


After this little conflict all the Airports, power plants, bridges, radio comunications/telephone service. whats going to be left for the new government to deal with??? simple a country that has been sent back 20 years in infostructure, this is just terrorism, not hunting terrorist's.

we should support the northern alliance right? read below a quote form a international newspaper:

"Mazar-e-Sharif has seen a lot of combat over the decades. The Soviets used it during their occupation. The city has also been the site of many atrocities.

When the Northern Alliance had control over the community in 1997, more than 3,000 Taliban prisoners were slaughtered. When the Taliban ousted the rebels in 1998 they retaliated, killing just as many people, including many civilians."

i wana hear what you think i'll back in a week, after my mid-terms, and think about it before you shoot your mouth off.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

I think you better change the tone of your posts, PDQ, or watch them vanish.

I will not have this trolling Americans non-sense again.

You want to debate, fine.

You post like this, I promise it won't be here next week.

My fuse for this guff has just about reached it's end.

Be civil, or be gone.

AoA

 

[Grnscrpn]

I think you better change the tone of your posts, PDQ, or watch them vanish.

Fine i post about once every 3 months make this thread disapear, take my account way to if your going to limit the free speach. Im not attacking anyone im attacking the way we look at others, if roles were re-versed and you were in a country under constant Air attack, with life as your knowing it been taken away, why? It doesn't matter everyone says nuke Bin laden, assassinate him, what does it solve nothing.

We should not be punishing another nation for the crimes of a non-governmental person. This is why we have the UN Warcrimes Tribunal. let the world courts deal with it, not the guy with the biggest gun.

Take Civilization when we play we make desions to attack or not to attack, to make friends and foe's. In games we can launch all the nukes, cruise missiles, stealth bombers we want, we don't have to look the enemy in the face, in the eyes. We would never cheat in a multiplayer game, so why would we wana cheat in real life and say one country or one single man has the fate over a nation.

Alcibiaties of Athenae i challenge you,to tell me when have we killed enough people to stop this stupid fighting? When has both sides taken enough lives?

My fuse for this guff has just about reached it's end.

i'll tell you what, its almost halloween i'll get you a firecracker you can light off, and blow your fuse.



i know a few Mod's, a few readers out there were born in some sort of religous background and i ask you when do we forgive and forget???



ps Thunderfall since i joined in December 2000, i gotta congraduate you on hwo the site has slowly evolved, keep up the good work.

 

[TrailblazingScot]

Mr thing who posts once in a while

Like some dumb woman in Kashmir who said the 11th September attacks were by Jews I'll say what the BBC interviewer said:

"You have absolutely no evidence for this!"

And neither do you for what you are saying.

 

[drake]

History this, history that. Lets live in the present for once.

The people that died did not write the US history. They were not soldiers, or enemies to anyone. They were just people living.

You can see this as an attack on the US, but in reality it wasnt anything but an attack on common decency. If youre against common decency gs, then you have an argument atleast.

Hopefully Afghanistan will be purged of the people that plague and hold them down. Hopefully Afghanistan will be rebuilt from the ground up and a place worth living in can be established. With the Taliban in power, that will never happen. I see this war as not only an opportunity to see justice served for the death of innocence, but to see a nation reborn.

 

[sw99]

Kitten and alcibiaties, why are you flaming grn? He is not attacking anyone, he is just making a point that many of us have been making since this whole conflict began. The only people who are being hurt in afghanistan are the civilians. When everything standing in afghanistan has been destroyed, the terrorists and the the taliban will still be standing, they've been fighting guerrilla warfare for decades.

Unless we occupy the entire country, all the airpower in the world will do nothing other than destroy the lives of innocent people and harm their country's development for many more decades. The afghani people will not thank us for what we're doing.

And to be quite frank, afghanistan is never going to be occupied by the west, the west simply does not have the stomach for such bloody, futile warfare any more.

Whilst I am pretty certain the evidence (not that we've seen it) points straight to al-qeuda (sp?), it is not going to stop these terrorist activities, only inflame the tensions within islamic groups.

The terrorists involved are almost certainly not based solely in afghanistan, there's no problem for them to relocate to another basket-case country... and there's plenty of those around.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

When i chose that avatar i had actually been looking fot the most stupid and crummy avatar in the whole library
Now i have to find some new and equally stupid/original

Anyway ,concerning youre reply:

Kitten and alcibiaties, why are you flaming grn? He is not attacking anyone, he is just making a point that many of us have been making since this whole conflict began. The only people who are being hurt in afghanistan are the civilians. When everything standing in afghanistan has been destroyed, the terrorists and the the taliban will still be standing, they've been fighting guerrilla warfare for decades.

Actually ,everything once standing has already 5 times been destroyed ,indeed i think we are actually beginnig to bomb valuable craters.

Unless we occupy the entire country, all the airpower in the world will do nothing other than destroy the lives of innocent people and harm their country's development for many more decades. The afghani people will not thank us for what we're doing.

That's indeed true ,and i guess if you were an Afhani would find nothing fun in this situation.

And to be quite frank, afghanistan is never going to be occupied by the west, the west simply does not have the stomach for such bloody, futile warfare any more.

here i disagree.I don't know for sure if the west would ever occupy Afhanistan ,i also don't know for sure if that is actually nesecary for them to achieve their goals.
Actually ,on the diplomatic front there is a lot of activity for the moment.The American's are actually working towards creating a afhani political coalition (that actually could include some Taliban members) to take over the regime in Afhanistan.Knowing that the taliban is more feared than loved ,it could actually inflict a civil war in Afhanistan against the Taliban.There also talks around a muslim U.N peace keeping force for Afhanistan.

Whilst I am pretty certain the evidence (not that we've seen it) points straight to al-qeuda (sp?), it is not going to stop these terrorist activities, only inflame the tensions within islamic groups.

Porbably ,but knowing they are "armed and dangerous (to the max)" we need to fight them.I was a pacifist before sept. 11.After that day i came to the sickening conclusion pacifism can not always be used anymore in this world. (couldn find the right words here)

The terrorists involved are almost certainly not based solely in afghanistan, there's no problem for them to relocate to another basket-case country... and there's plenty of those around.

Don't know for sure if it this easy.I know that we eventually wage war on alomst all these country's ,and then install a democratic regime ,as it will maybe be the only way to effectively erradicate terrorism on the long term.

 

[sw99]

Theduck, I know, I chose that avatar for the same reason, but it seems quite a lot of people have had the same idea :crazyeyes

Regarding this whole situation, I have pretty much changed tack on the way things should be done probably a million times since sept 11th.
I just can't help but think there must be a better way to solve this, I guess i'd rather hope that there is a better way and just b!tch about the current way it is being done because there are so many things wrong with it. Just doesn't seem right that this actually could be the best way ending this once and for all

But the main reason I even entered this thread was not because I have very strong views on the conflict but because I didn't like the way grn was being attacked for saying something actually quite appropriate

 

[joespaniel]

To Grnscrpn (and sw99 to a lesser extent),

You have a loose grip on the facts. I suggest you do more research before you spew out more of "your version" of history and current events.

Btw, Grnscrpn, in case you didnt know, AoA was at the WTC disaster when it happened. So why dont you show a little class and respect and stop acting like a ten-year-old.

Duck, you know Im your friend, but I have to disagree with you.
Grnscrpn said:

someone finaly brought it home to America

Terrorists fighting terrorists

and my favorite "ten-year-old" comment;
"i'll tell you what, its almost halloween i'll get you a firecracker you can light off, and blow your fuse. "

Thats not necessary, and I hope he doesnt post again for a few months after this.

 

[TheDuckOfFlanders]

Duck, you know Im your friend, but I have to disagree with you.

That's no problem ,if we would all agree there would be no need for discussion's ,and that would be kinda boring.
Although i don't now exactly on what you disagree.You showed me some comment's of Grnscrpn.But whatever he said ,i do not nesecarily agree with his statement's.
My reply's were on the post of Sw99 ,so these quote's you have me have nothing to do with my reply.
I agreed with some point's of Sw99 though.Grnscrpn may have some points ( i won't state that) ,but he has givven his oppinion withought much tact ,therefore i won't review it.

 

[joukov]

i totally agreed with :Grnscrpn and TheDuckOfFlanders personnaly i got nothing against america (they make good games and good movie )
but the america only gets what they should have. Their external policies to get the oil and all of the ressources they need to low cost by exploits the poor for their own benefit. Its like an expression that i know : if you plant the winds you will collect the storm.. and that exactly what happens on the 11 sep... its like the little david who hit the giant right into the eye.

Another things many people that i know will not say it and will be very sorry for what happens but many of them will think that the america run after it. its a part of their fault.
eek: aouch im going hard)

watch out for the replies

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

I've already put up with a dozen of these types of threads, so, since you choose to challenge, that's it.