Went basically with my highlighted plan, however the Hammy invasion prep was sacrificed for settlers/infrastructure.
So I switched some builds, whipped a lot, teched guilds and chemistry
traded lib
Unfortunately they both self researched astronomy fast so I had to get a jump on settling, I settled 2 good spots in my set, three settlers are in production and should be whipped ASAP, we need more workers, those are queued, whip them too.
Met Justy and Qin Shi Huang or w/e
sell edu to QSH
stopped here:
Okay so Loki has a plan on how to win this game
DIPLO
we can abuse favorite civics on QSH + Hammy + Joao and probably get enough votes to win UN, justy is #1 in pop so we would have to build it, but that is fine, if we beeline MM and build in our capital
Glorious capital
Resources, stone needs to be renegotiated blah blah blah, too much thought for poor me
Demographics:
Summary:
Keep settling, we need more workers, if you want something built whip it.
In terms of importance in cities
build culture, granary, trading post, harbor, after that thing really hard if you need another building, otherwise the extra pop lets us work 2f 3c coast which is okay, but also gets us votes for later. just build wealth
I would vote go steel - Mass Media beeline
There are 2 AI's left to meet, lets get cracking.
Side note: Joao circumnavigated in 1100 AD well before my set so we never had a chance.
Spoiler:
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------------------------------------------------ Turn 267/750 (1220 AD) [03-May-2009 18:19:52] Research begun: Guilds (9 Turns) Nidaros begins: Harbor (6 turns) Birka begins: Barracks (19 turns) Lödöse begins: Trading Post (90 turns)
After End Turn: The whip was applied in Birka The whip was applied in Lödöse Uppsala finishes: Work Boat Birka finishes: Courthouse Bjørgvin grows to size 4 Tønsberg grows to size 5 Lödöse finishes: Granary Odense grows to size 3
Turn 268/750 (1230 AD) [03-May-2009 18:25:07] 60% Research: 250 per turn 0% Culture: 53 per turn 0% Espionage: 12 per turn 40% Gold: -5 per turn, 111 in the bank Uppsala begins: Galleon (15 turns) A Plantation was built near Ribe Ribe begins: Courthouse (36 turns) Haithabu begins: Harbor (120 turns)
After End Turn: The whip was applied in Ribe A Hamlet was built near Sigtuna Birka finishes: Barracks Tønsberg grows to size 6 Christianity has spread: Tønsberg Ribe finishes: Granary
Turn 269/750 (1240 AD) [03-May-2009 18:27:27] 60% Research: 257 per turn 0% Culture: 54 per turn 0% Espionage: 12 per turn 40% Gold: -1 per turn, 110 in the bank Birka begins: Berserker (53 turns) Tech traded to Joao II (Portugal): Liberalism Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Construction Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Literature Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Music
After End Turn: Sigtuna grows to size 5
Turn 270/750 (1250 AD) [03-May-2009 18:29:42] 60% Research: 258 per turn 0% Culture: 54 per turn 0% Espionage: 12 per turn 40% Gold: -2 per turn, 209 in the bank A Cottage was built near Ribe Tech traded to Hammurabi (Babylon): Liberalism Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Engineering Haithabu begins: Settler (22 turns)
After End Turn: The whip was applied in Haithabu Haithabu grows to size 5 Haithabu finishes: Harbor Bjørgvin grows to size 5 Tønsberg grows to size 7
Turn 271/750 (1255 AD) [03-May-2009 18:31:27] 60% Research: 261 per turn 0% Culture: 54 per turn 0% Espionage: 12 per turn 40% Gold: -4 per turn, 238 in the bank A Whaling Boats was built near Roskilde
After End Turn: Roskilde grows to size 6
Turn 272/750 (1260 AD) [03-May-2009 18:32:13] 60% Research: 265 per turn 0% Culture: 54 per turn 0% Espionage: 12 per turn 40% Gold: 1 per turn, 237 in the bank Roskilde begins: Barracks (13 turns)
After End Turn: The whip was applied in Roskilde Nidaros finishes: Harbor Birka grows to size 4 Roskilde finishes: Courthouse
Turn 273/750 (1265 AD) [03-May-2009 18:33:09] 60% Research: 265 per turn 0% Culture: 54 per turn 0% Espionage: 14 per turn 40% Gold: 6 per turn, 238 in the bank Nidaros begins: Forge (9 turns)
After End Turn: The whip was applied in Birka Uppsala grows to size 7 Birka finishes: Berserker Bjørgvin grows to size 6 Tønsberg grows to size 8 Tønsberg's borders expand Sigtuna grows to size 6
Turn 274/750 (1270 AD) [03-May-2009 18:34:30] 60% Research: 272 per turn 0% Culture: 54 per turn 0% Espionage: 14 per turn 40% Gold: 8 per turn, 245 in the bank Birka begins: Berserker (53 turns) Uppsala begins: Settler (15 turns)
After End Turn: The whip was applied in Uppsala Tech research finished: Guilds Uppsala finishes: Galleon A Hamlet was built near Haithabu Christianity has spread: Bjørgvin Jelling grows to size 6 A Hamlet was built near Ribe
Turn 275/750 (1275 AD) [03-May-2009 18:35:17] 60% Research: 273 per turn 0% Culture: 55 per turn 0% Espionage: 14 per turn 40% Gold: 5 per turn, 250 in the bank Research begun: Gunpowder (7 Turns) Research begun: Chemistry (7 Turns) Research begun: Gunpowder (7 Turns) Research begun: Chemistry (7 Turns) Research begun: Steel (7 Turns) Research begun: Gunpowder (7 Turns) Research begun: Chemistry (7 Turns) Research begun: Gunpowder (7 Turns)
After End Turn: A Hamlet was built near Nidaros Roskilde finishes: Barracks Tønsberg grows to size 9 Oslo finishes: Courthouse
Turn 276/750 (1280 AD) [03-May-2009 18:35:59] 60% Research: 278 per turn 0% Culture: 55 per turn 0% Espionage: 16 per turn 40% Gold: 12 per turn, 254 in the bank Roskilde begins: Galleon (40 turns) Oslo begins: Trading Post (9 turns)
After End Turn: Nidaros grows to size 15 Roskilde grows to size 4
Turn 277/750 (1285 AD) [03-May-2009 18:36:46] 60% Research: 285 per turn 0% Culture: 55 per turn 0% Espionage: 16 per turn 40% Gold: 16 per turn, 266 in the bank A Mine was built near Ribe A Farm was built near Roskilde
After End Turn: The whip was applied in Sigtuna A Town was built near Nidaros Bjørgvin grows to size 7 Roskilde's borders expand Sigtuna grows to size 4 Sigtuna finishes: Library
Turn 278/750 (1290 AD) [03-May-2009 18:37:52] 60% Research: 288 per turn 0% Culture: 57 per turn 0% Espionage: 16 per turn 40% Gold: 15 per turn, 276 in the bank Sigtuna begins: Courthouse (180 turns) Nidaros begins: Grocer (11 turns)
After End Turn: Confucianism has spread: Jelling Tønsberg grows to size 10
Other Player Actions: Taoism has spread: Nidaros
Turn 279/750 (1295 AD) [03-May-2009 18:39:03] 60% Research: 286 per turn 0% Culture: 59 per turn 0% Espionage: 16 per turn 40% Gold: 12 per turn, 289 in the bank
After End Turn: The whip was applied in Uppsala The whip was applied in Haithabu Whip anger has decreased in Tønsberg Uppsala finishes: Settler Haithabu finishes: Settler Odense finishes: Courthouse
Turn 280/750 (1300 AD) [03-May-2009 18:39:41] 60% Research: 277 per turn 0% Culture: 59 per turn 0% Espionage: 18 per turn 40% Gold: 12 per turn, 142 in the bank Uppsala begins: Harbor (120 turns) Haithabu begins: Courthouse (180 turns) Odense begins: Harbor (20 turns) Contact made: Byzantine Empire
After End Turn: Judaism has spread: Birka Sigtuna grows to size 5 Ribe grows to size 2
Turn 281/750 (1305 AD) [03-May-2009 18:41:17] 60% Research: 280 per turn 0% Culture: 60 per turn 0% Espionage: 18 per turn 40% Gold: 11 per turn, 153 in the bank Contact made: Chinese Empire A Farm was built near Ribe
After End Turn: Whip anger has decreased in Bjørgvin The whip was applied in Tønsberg Whip anger has decreased in Sigtuna Tech research finished: Gunpowder Nidaros grows to size 16 Nidaros finishes: Forge A Town was built near Haithabu Birka grows to size 3 Bjørgvin grows to size 8 A Town was built near Jelling Tønsberg grows to size 6 Tønsberg finishes: Market
Other Player Actions: Attitude Change: Qin Shi Huang (China) towards Joao II (Portugal), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Turn 282/750 (1310 AD) [03-May-2009 18:42:42] 60% Research: 278 per turn 0% Culture: 60 per turn 0% Espionage: 18 per turn 40% Gold: 16 per turn, 166 in the bank Research begun: Chemistry (13 Turns) Tønsberg begins: Forge (180 turns)
After End Turn: Whip anger has decreased in Birka Whip anger has decreased in Lödöse Uppsala grows to size 4 Haithabu grows to size 4 Tønsberg grows to size 7 A Hamlet was built near Odense
Turn 283/750 (1315 AD) [03-May-2009 18:45:17] 60% Research: 289 per turn 0% Culture: 60 per turn 0% Espionage: 18 per turn 40% Gold: 18 per turn, 179 in the bank Lindholm founded
After End Turn: Whip anger has decreased in Ribe Lödöse grows to size 2
Turn 284/750 (1320 AD) [03-May-2009 18:46:11] 60% Research: 297 per turn 0% Culture: 61 per turn 0% Espionage: 18 per turn 40% Gold: 7 per turn, 185 in the bank
After End Turn: Roskilde grows to size 5 Tønsberg grows to size 8 Sigtuna grows to size 6 Oslo finishes: Trading Post
Turn 285/750 (1325 AD) [03-May-2009 18:47:48] 60% Research: 304 per turn 0% Culture: 61 per turn 0% Espionage: 18 per turn 40% Gold: 14 per turn, 192 in the bank Oslo begins: Harbor (18 turns) A Farm was built near Ribe
After End Turn: Whip anger has decreased in Haithabu Uppsala grows to size 5 Bjørgvin grows to size 9 Odense grows to size 4
Turn 286/750 (1330 AD) [03-May-2009 18:48:20] 60% Research: 310 per turn 0% Culture: 61 per turn 0% Espionage: 18 per turn 40% Gold: 11 per turn, 203 in the bank Uppsala begins: Settler (22 turns) Haithabu begins: Settler (22 turns)
After End Turn: The whip was applied in Roskilde Roskilde finishes: Galleon Taoism has spread: Lindholm
Turn 287/750 (1335 AD) [03-May-2009 18:49:56] 60% Research: 302 per turn 0% Culture: 62 per turn 0% Espionage: 18 per turn 40% Gold: 10 per turn, 215 in the bank Roskilde begins: Galleon (40 turns) Västerås founded
After End Turn: Whip anger has decreased in Roskilde Tønsberg grows to size 9
Other Player Actions: State Religion Change: Joao II (Portugal) from 'Judaism' to 'no State Religion' Civics Change: Joao II(Portugal) from 'Organized Religion' to 'Free Religion'
Turn 288/750 (1340 AD) [03-May-2009 18:51:00] 60% Research: 314 per turn 0% Culture: 63 per turn 0% Espionage: 18 per turn 40% Gold: -4 per turn, 211 in the bank A Windmill was built near Oslo While attacking just off shore near Harappan, Galleon (4.00/4) defeats Barbarian Galley (Prob Victory: 98.7%)
After End Turn: Nidaros finishes: Grocer Jelling grows to size 7 Ribe grows to size 3
Other Player Actions: Attitude Change: Joao II (Portugal) towards Justinian I (Byzantium), from 'Pleased' to 'Friendly'
Turn 289/750 (1345 AD) [03-May-2009 18:52:15] 60% Research: 315 per turn 0% Culture: 63 per turn 0% Espionage: 18 per turn 40% Gold: 17 per turn, 215 in the bank Nidaros begins: Observatory (7 turns) Galleon promoted: Drill I While attacking just off shore, Galleon (1.20/4) defeats Barbarian Galley (Prob Victory: 98.9%)
After End Turn: Whip anger has decreased in Uppsala Nidaros grows to size 17 Islam has spread: Haithabu Sigtuna grows to size 7
Turn 290/750 (1350 AD) [03-May-2009 18:53:38] 60% Research: 321 per turn 0% Culture: 64 per turn 0% Espionage: 18 per turn 40% Gold: 31 per turn, 243 in the bank
After End Turn:
Other Player Actions: Attitude Change: Joao II (Portugal) towards Qin Shi Huang (China), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased' Civics Change: THOR(Vikings) from 'Paganism' to 'Free Religion'
Turn 291/750 (1355 AD) [03-May-2009 18:54:21] 60% Research: 0 per turn 0% Culture: 0 per turn 0% Espionage: 0 per turn 40% Gold: 20 per turn, 263 in the bank
After End Turn:
Other Player Actions: Attitude Change: Hammurabi (Babylon) towards THOR (Vikings), from 'Pleased' to 'Friendly'
Turn 292/750 (1360 AD) [03-May-2009 18:54:28] 60% Research: 347 per turn 0% Culture: 64 per turn 0% Espionage: 18 per turn 40% Gold: 30 per turn, 283 in the bank Odense begins: Worker (30 turns) Sigtuna begins: Worker (13 turns) Jelling begins: Worker (30 turns)
After End Turn: The whip was applied in Jelling The whip was applied in Sigtuna The whip was applied in Odense Jelling finishes: Courthouse Roskilde grows to size 4 Tønsberg grows to size 10 Sigtuna finishes: Courthouse Odense finishes: Harbor
Other Player Actions: Attitude Change: Joao II (Portugal) towards Qin Shi Huang (China), from 'Pleased' to 'Cautious' Civics Change: Hammurabi(Babylon) from 'Decentralization' to 'Free Market'
Turn 293/750 (1365 AD) [03-May-2009 18:56:10] 60% Research: 337 per turn 0% Culture: 64 per turn 0% Espionage: 22 per turn 40% Gold: 41 per turn, 312 in the bank A Farm was built near Ribe
After End Turn: Birka grows to size 4
Other Player Actions: Attitude Change: Joao II (Portugal) towards Qin Shi Huang (China), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Turn 294/750 (1370 AD) [03-May-2009 18:56:20] 70% Research: 392 per turn 0% Culture: 64 per turn 0% Espionage: 22 per turn 30% Gold: -6 per turn, 307 in the bank Tech traded to Qin Shi Huang (China): Education Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Banking
After End Turn: Bjørgvin grows to size 10 Lindholm's borders expand
Turn 295/750 (1375 AD) [03-May-2009 18:57:37] 70% Research: 396 per turn 0% Culture: 63 per turn 0% Espionage: 22 per turn 30% Gold: -7 per turn, 275 in the bank Lindholm begins: Granary (90 turns)
After End Turn: The whip was applied in Bjørgvin Tech research finished: Chemistry Bjørgvin finishes: Market Lindholm grows to size 2
Turn 296/750 (1380 AD) [03-May-2009 18:58:22] 70% Research: 385 per turn 0% Culture: 63 per turn 0% Espionage: 22 per turn 30% Gold: -8 per turn, 268 in the bank Research begun: Steel (15 Turns) Bjørgvin begins: Settler (25 turns)
I'm happy to go for a diplo win, but I must be missing something about the tech path. Why steel?
Another question: How do I prevent getting a DoW? Should I give in to AI demands? Any demands, other than joining wars, that I should not give into? How much military do we need? I noticed a couple decent barb cities, so I'll try and get enough zerks to take those at least.
How about our economic civic? SP or FM? I don't remember ever trading for either one.
I'm thinking the Maoi Statues can go in the capital, and probably should've a long time ago. They work well in a Bureau cap. Should I bother trying to get the Nat'l Epic up? That one should've gone in the gold + 2 fish city IMO, about a thousand years ago. 2 fish will support something like 5 specs.
I agree with Loki that things look a lot brighter now and reading quickly I think he must have played a strong set as usual.
Thanks to Whosit's ingenious trading it's now totally beside the point but I'll disagree with Loki until the end of time about Odense's placement as on that southern tip imo the land would have been as unreachable as it is from Birka with 2 ocean tiles in the middle But I propose we let the issue rest
I'm happy to go for a diplo win, but I must be missing something about the tech path. Why steel?
Another question: How do I prevent getting a DoW? Should I give in to AI demands? Any demands, other than joining wars, that I should not give into? How much military do we need? I noticed a couple decent barb cities, so I'll try and get enough zerks to take those at least.
How about our economic civic? SP or FM? I don't remember ever trading for either one.
I'm thinking the Maoi Statues can go in the capital, and probably should've a long time ago. They work well in a Bureau cap. Should I bother trying to get the Nat'l Epic up? That one should've gone in the gold + 2 fish city IMO, about a thousand years ago. 2 fish will support something like 5 specs.
Steel trades very well, we can use it for pre reqs to mass media, we should probably run SP given our vast number of cities.
We should spam a few frigates etc. but, I am not worried about DOW, give in to any demand for anything other than a stop trade or a DOW on someone else and we should be fine, we should run Bureaucracy and HR till end of time to let fav civics build, keep open borders with Joao, QSH, and Hammy, keep resource deals going, and don't piss em off, stay in free religion to avoid being asked for conversions.
to get communism: sci method is on MM path, so we will have all pre reqs, just trade for communism whenever.
Agressively trade at this point, or else we will fall behind.
Get nat epic up yes, good idea, we should try to get an engineer (run one and pray)
And moaia in capital is fine, add oxford there too if we ever get unis up.
Thanks for answering those questions, Loki. I got hesitant because not so long ago you were talking about whacking Babylon and all that got dropped. What you have there sounds good. However, it is a shame that we've had to deviate from the formula.
Nocho, I'm up in SAM 1 so if you want to have a go I'd be pleased and grateful to swap. Otherwise this one will have to keep as I can't give adequate attention to two today.
Unintentional alliteration can get out of hand sometimes.
Would whack babylon, but they be tight with joao and Just is giant so warmongering isn't as viable. Babylon conquering may be viable if we spam cannons and berserkers maybe... but I just don't know if it would be beneficial diplo wise.
Yeah, we should probably let sleeping Babylonians lie; though it is tempting because they seem small and ripe, conquering them will really hurt any hopes of a diplomatic win (and a conquest/domination win does not seem likely at this point). So, we make friends and aggressively expand. After all, getting a large number of populous cities gives us more weight in a diplomatic vote.
Can't look at the save now, so I'm not sure who the largest is (did you say Justinian, Loki?). However, if we can find any way to get people to hate the biggest guy, we should go for it. The only way I can think of is to bribe non-friendly civs into war with them, but we would need a tech lead for that and it should probably wait until we're close to the U.N., anyway. We don't have a religion to spam, so that's not an option. Though, in all likelihood, we'll probably just have to do our best to be best liked.
Edit: I second the notion to try for a Great Engineer. I take it we sit on him until we can build the United Nations?
Nocho, I'm up in SAM 1 so if you want to have a go I'd be pleased and grateful to swap. Otherwise this one will have to keep as I can't give adequate attention to two today.
I couldn't take it today, but maybe tomorrow night (36 hrs from now). But anyway, wouldn't it be Sengir's turn? He didn't drop out of this, did he?? He's been a bit absent from this thread lately, or so it seems. I've seen him around in other ones though, saying RL was playing hard ball on him... So Sengir, if you're around can you take this? Then I go after you and Dave.
Is it my turn? Didn't know that, thought Dave would be up after swap with Loki... Will take it then. Will look through the thread and post plans beforehand. Should be able to get it out today.
Roster:
nocho - On deck??
Whosit
Dave - On deck??
Loki - Just played
Sengir - Up
Plans for next turn (either my own or Dave's):
Adjust espionage to get all the power ratings in view (won't take much). Meet the other civs.
Settle more cities, improve and grow the others for the pop count. Build some units for happies, power rating (ours isn't that bad if you figure we have mostly warriors for defense) and barbtowns. Build NE (shouldn't this go into the Ice-fishtown? it will run way more specialists and has food to spare to whip it) and Maoi.
Tech path should be Steel (tradebait), trade for PP > SM > Physics > Electricity > Radio > MM (aka MM beeline). If we are lucky we might be able to trade for SM as well.
Turn 296:
Do a round through the cities, but Loki left the empire in a good state so I have little to do. Check the trades, but there's nothing to be had.
Adjust espionage to see power ratings (and perhaps some research as well).
Hit enter
Turn 297:
Joao poached a fish town
Turn 298:
Meet everybodies favorite nutcase:
Monty
He's backwards and annoyed. (and worst enemy of Hammi)
Nidaros > Maoi
Turn 299:
Tonsberg Forge > NE
Slave revolt in Roskilde (I pay 13g)
Turn 300:
We are second largest after Just.
Monty wants gold. I decided I want our gold as well. (He was in WHEOOHRN when we met him and is after Hammi probably, no need to be scared of him anyway).
Turn 301:
Hammi wants to cancel the crab vs wine deal. I trade him sugar instead (I know it's our only one, but keeping trades is more important atm).
Turn 302:
zzz
Turn 303:
We meet vassalized Asoka who is on par with the other civs and his master Genghis Khan. (Worst enemy of Hammi now, I guess he took Monty's place). He's a bit further behind.
OB with Asoka
Turn 304
zzz
Turn 305:
Hammi comes asking for Chem.... Damn that's crappy. We can take the hit now, but I'm not sure whether we can tak it in the long run. In the end I decide to give it to him and trade it away further for some other techs as well.
Monty wants us to cancel deals with Hammi. Uhm no, not right after I gifted him chem.
GK demands worldmap. Ok
Sell Phil for 250g + WM to Just
Trade Chem with Qin for PP
Found two cities, both are not in need of a border pop so start a granary right away
We can also see Joao's research now and see that he is 4 turns from finishing Chem, which coincides with us finishing Steel. So let's hope we can trade Steel for SM with him, as no one else has SM atm.
Turn 306:
Slave revolt in Sigtuna, I pay 13g
Now Just and Hammi have SM as well. Just is researching Physics in 14t
Turn 307:
Khan wants OB, I decline
We enter the industrial era as we finish steel. Pick SM for now.
Nidaros finishes Moai > Bank
There's a berserker in a galley near Ribe, and a Galleon in pursuit to take him over (and some axes from Ribe itself) for barbtowns.
There's a WB en route to one of the new cities and Roskilde is building another one.
Tonsberg is growing mainly to get enough pop to whip the NE. It won't finish by itself on hammers alone.
Nidaros should probably spit out a couple of WB's after the bank because none of the other towns have any production to speak of to help the new cities out in this regard.
There's a settler and a worker in a galleon SW of Lindholm to settle the island there. Make sure the city picks up the clams.
Trades:
We can trade steel to:
Joao for SM
Just for SM, WM + 50 g
Hammi for SM, WM + 110g
Qin has only economics for us, which we probably won't need.
I'm also of the opinion that we should gift Asoka Philo so that he can switch to free religion (his favorite civic), for some diplo points.
We won't be able to beat Just to Physics, unless we get a GS, which would mean we could bulb it and steal the Physics GS from under his nose.
Major weed of the set: I forgot to cancel the stone trade with Just to speed up Moai.
(will attach save shortly. No images as my connection is spotty and I'm allready hoping that the save will come through eventually.)
Would have given Monty the gold for easy diplo otherwise sounds good, suck up to anyone but Just, isolate him if at all possible.
Monty's hands are full, we refused demand, may be coming after us...
Justo seems happy with people, not good we need to get some friction between him and the world.
Montys hand were full the moment we met him, so he is probably after Hammi (his worst enemy). Also: he doesn't have astro yet, so I don't exactly fear him coming after us (besides, we might be able to bribe some people in a war against him for easy diplo points).
I agree with Just being a problem, he is on good terms with everyone IIRC.
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But I propose we let the issue rest 
