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Thailand overrules AIDS and heart disease medicine patents

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Erik Mesoy, Jan 29, 2007.

  1. aluka

    aluka Warlord

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    You are aware that patents are limited monopolies granted by the government to foster innovation? They also function to encourage disclosure of how new inventions work. Both these things, along with the accompanying increase in economic activity, are deemed to be in the public interest. Having thousands of people die due to a patent is, however, clearly not in the public interest.
     
  2. tomsnowman123

    tomsnowman123 Simple Liver

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    Saving lives is much more important than making profit. Especially when the profit margin is unnecessarily high.
     
  3. amadeus

    amadeus Kaicho

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    How is this a good thing? This will drive the price up for the medications in high-income countries.
     
  4. ArneHD

    ArneHD Just a little bit mad

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    Too bad none of them are in any kind of government.
     
  5. EdwardTking

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    Fewer poor Thailanders with HIV die.

    I can not see why.

    And high-income countries can by definition afford to pay a higher price than low income countries.
     
  6. skadistic

    skadistic Caomhanach

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    The same amount die it just takes longer.
     
  7. Stegyre

    Stegyre Expatriate

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    In the end, we all die. For some reason, however, most of us are quite concerned about the timing. :mischief:
     
  8. ravensfire

    ravensfire Member of the Opposition

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    Always remember - perfect health is merely the slowest possible way to die.

    -- Ravensfire
     
  9. Shadylookin

    Shadylookin master debater

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    the issuing of patents is government interference into the market to attempt to foster innovation. technically if it was a "free market" the generic company could do whatever they want and the citizens would be paying less anyway.

    since it doesn't break international law and it helps half a million people I'm in support of it.
     
  10. amadeus

    amadeus Kaicho

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    A company is being deprived of a market that it could otherwise have operated in, thus selling more of their product.

    Bad excuse for socialism.
     
  11. Taliesin

    Taliesin Puttin' on the Ritz

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    But since companies don't have any right to markets, it's not like an objective harm is being committed. This is only bad if you're a shareholder in an involved company AND you're a heartless economic agent. Objectively, it's a good thing.
     
  12. TheBladeRoden

    TheBladeRoden Deity

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    There's still time for them to get their foot in the door if they sell the product to the government at a lower price than it takes for the government to manufacture it.
     
  13. Tycoon101

    Tycoon101 Loves being STRONG

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    Time for a post explosion!

    What makes them any less responsible than America?

    Pity. :)

    That appears to be the case.

    No, I cannot quantify it.

    That would be fine with me, but that is not the case, thus we should live by the law as long as it dictates that patents be upheld.

    That would be lovely.

    Again, I have no problem with the abolishing of patents, but patents are still in usage today. Why should a government be any more above the law than a single business or citizen?

    Once again, I would be fine with the abolishing of patent laws. They restrict freedom within the economic system.
     
  14. Stylesjl

    Stylesjl SOS Brigade Member

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    Good work Thailand! Stick it to those capitalist pigs!
     
  15. amadeus

    amadeus Kaicho

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    Yeah! You show those bastards what we think of people that try to improve our lives!
     
  16. Taliesin

    Taliesin Puttin' on the Ritz

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    I hate this self-serving corporate line. You can't have it both ways: if drug companies are trying to improve people's lives, then it's our right to point out their failure in this instance; if drug companies are trying merely to make money, then they don't have grounds for moral objection in cases like this, because morals don't enter into their success or failure. Either business is amoral, or businesses have moral responsibility-- companies can't claim to pursue only profit while also demanding praise for good things they do.
     
  17. amadeus

    amadeus Kaicho

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    By generating a profit and introducing new products, they are serving a moral duty.

    The scale and size of a company shouldn't change your feelings towards it; are you going to go down to your neighborhood grocer and curse him out because he too is a heartless greed demon that is interested in generating profits?
     
  18. TheBladeRoden

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    Taliesin Puttin' on the Ritz

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    No, because I can have a personal attachment to him.

    I'm not saying seeking profits is greedy and bad-- obviously it's not. I'm not condemning a drug company for trying to make money. What I'm saying is that if its aim is to make money, then it's not performing moral actions, and so it is not worthy of praise for what it does. We're probably happy that it does what it does, because drugs are good. But we don't have a responsibility to recognise what it does as a moral good, and if it stops making us happy, then we're free to stop dealing with it.

    Look at it this way: if a drug company's motive is profit, then its customer's motive is utility. The customer has no obligation to treat the company well, and will do so only as long as it's the useful thing to do. (Just like the company has no obligation to treat the customer well, and will do so only as long as it's the profitable thing to do.) If, however, the relation between company and customer is one between moral agents, then they have a responsibility to treat each other well; in cases like this, that means it's the customer's prerogative to demand better treatment.

    The corporate line you're toeing has a habit of claiming whichever of these two approaches happens to favour it: if a company does bad, then it's merely profit-seeking, but if another party's action diminishes its profits, then it claims to have been wronged.
     
  20. amadeus

    amadeus Kaicho

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    It's a mutually beneficial relationship.
     

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