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That debate was awful

Sims2789

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For the first part of it, media hack George Stephanopoulos all but asked Obama, "Why do you hate America?" about four times at the very beginning. But I'm not too mad about this. I don't think it really hurt Obama.

But after Stephanopoulos attacked Obama, Obama and Clinton debated little; I felt like I was watching two different people being interviewed in the same room.

Obama had the best ending, since Hillary once again showed that she's stuck in the them vs. us, culture war mentality (she herself said she'd "fight" for us) that's plagued politics for the past forty years. Obama, on the other hand, showed that he'll build consensus around American values instead of fighting the conservatives.

However, most people probably quit watching the alleged debate by this point.
 
I know people will never believe me, but.....

I didn't bother to watch the last of it or check into the post-debate coverage.

Was it more of the same? Anything new that could be gleamed from this debate? Are they still set to have one in NC after April 22?
 
I also missed the debate, but this article gives Obama a grade of "fail" (and Clinton didn't do too much better) while this one tells me that the debate was even more absurd than the previous ones in terms of frivolous questions. (Hat tip to RealClearPolitics for the pointers.)

Is there a transcript available yet? I'd like to at least scan through it...
 
After 470 debates, you'd think we'd get to some meaningful discussions by now....

At any rate, I do would like to dig through some highlights.
 
After 470 debates, you'd think we'd get to some meaningful discussions by now....

At any rate, I do would like to dig through some highlights.

It's hard to say anything meaningful when you're given a 90-second time limit. I tend to think of each debate as a series of free soundbites. ;)
 
didn't watch the debate (Im up late doing reports for this financial season lol) but had the democratic party actually grown a pair and supported real candidates like maybe Joe Biden and John Edwards over charisma and identity politics we wouldn't be handing this election to McCain more and more each day. Its pathetic.
 
Associated Press said:
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Clinton emphatically says Obama can win White House



By BETH FOUHY, Associated Press Writer 1 minute ago

PHILADELPHIA - Hillary Rodham Clinton said emphatically Wednesday night that Barack Obama can win the White House this fall, undercutting her efforts to deny him the Democratic presidential nomination by suggesting he would lead the party to defeat.
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"Yes, yes, yes," she said when pressed about Obama's electability during a campaign debate six days before the Pennsylvania primary.

Asked a similar question about Clinton, Obama said "Absolutely and I've said so before" — a not-so-subtle dig at his rival who had previously declined to make a similar statement about him.

In a 90-minute debate, both rivals pledged not to raise taxes on individuals making less than $200,000, and said they would respond forcefully if Iran obtains nuclear weapons and uses them against Israel.

"An attack on Israel would incur massive retaliation by the United States," said Clinton.

Obama said, "The U.S. would take appropriate action."

They differed over Social Security when Obama said he favored raising payroll taxes on higher-income individuals. Clinton said she was opposed, her rival quickly cut in and countered that she had said earlier in the campaign she was open to the idea.

Under current law, workers must pay the payroll tax on their first $102,000 in wages. Obama generally has expressed support for a plan to reimpose the tax beginning at a level of $200,000 or more.

The debate was the 21st of the campaign for the nomination, an epic struggle that could last weeks or even months longer.

Pennsylvania, with 158 delegates at stake, is a must-win contest for Clinton, who leads in the polls and hopes for a strong victory to propel her through the other states that vote before the primary season ends on June 3.

Obama leads in the delegate chase, 1,643-1,504, with 2,025 needed for the nomination. And despite a recent gaffe, he picked up endorsements during the day from three superdelegates from a pair of states with primaries on May 6 — Reps. Andre Carson of Indiana and Mel Watt and David Price of North Carolina.

After primaries and caucuses in 42 of the 50 states, Obama leads his rival in convention delegates, popular votes and states won. She is struggling to stop his drive on the nomination by appealing to party leaders who will attend the convention as superdelegates that he will preside over an electoral defeat at a moment of great opportunity after eight years of Republican rule.

The former first lady has never denied published reports that she once told New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson that Obama couldn't win when he called to tell her he would be endorsing the Illinois senator.

And at a news conference earlier this month in California, Clinton sidestepped when asked directly whether Obama would win if he were the Democratic nominee. "I am sure we will have a united Democratic Party. I will do everything possible to make sure we can win and I am confident we will have a Democrat in the White House next year," she said at the time.

Asked a similar question at the debate, she provided a similar answer at first. "I think we have to beat John McCain and I have every reason to believe we're going to have a Democratic president and it's going to be Barack or me."

Pressed by George Stephanopoulos of ABC News to answer the question directly, she said, "Yes, yes, yes ... Now I think I can do a better job."

In a debate that moved swiftly between politics and policy, Clinton issued a first-ever public apology for having claimed erroneously that she landed in Bosnia under sniper fire in 1996 as first lady.

"I may be a lot of things but I am not dumb," she said, adding that she had written in her book that there had been no gunfire during the episode. She said she was embarrassed by her error. "I'm sorry I said it," she added.

She previously had explained her incorrect comments by saying she had misspoken.

Obama later erred by saying he had never favored a ban on handguns even though as a state Senate candidate in 1996 he filled out a questionnaire from an Illinois voter group saying he would support such a ban.

"My writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire ... as I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns," Obama said, even though his handwritten notes did appear on its front page. The reponse to the question about guns was typed.

Obama had more explaining to do moments later, when he was asked about his controversial comment that small town Americans become bitter because of economic adversity, and "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them" as a result.

He said he was attempting to say that because voters feel ignored by government, "they end up being much more concerned about votes around things like guns where traditions have been passed on from generation to generation. And those are incredibly important to them."

"People don't cling to their traditions on hunting and guns" out of frustration with their government, Clinton said. She added that Obama had a fundamental misunderstanding on the role of religion and faith.

Both Obama and Clinton sidestepped when asked if they would place their rival on the ticket as vice presidential running mate in the fall.

"I think very highly of Senator Clinton's record, but I think it is premature at this point to talk about who the vice presidential candidates will be because we're still trying to determine who the nominee will be," Obama said.

Clinton was similarly noncommittal. "I'm going to do everything I possibly can to make sure that one of us takes the oath of office next January. I think that has to be the overriding goal," she said.

Neither rival was willing to say they would ask President Bush to serve in any capacity after he leaves office. Obama volunteered he would be "more likely to ask the advice of the current president's father. He said, that as president, George H. W. Bush had presided over a "wise foreign policy" at the time the Cold War was ending.

ABC News sponsored and televised the debate, with Charles Gibson and Stephanopoulos moderating.

Color me unimpressed, though. Lots of platitudes and a vague reference to GHWB to boot.
 
didn't watch the debate (Im up late doing reports for this financial season lol) but had the democratic party actually grown a pair and supported real candidates like maybe Joe Biden and John Edwards over charisma and identity politics we wouldn't be handing this election to McCain more and more each day. Its pathetic.

Interesting, because on the Republican side they seem to be deeply worried about BHO's charisma. So neither side is optimistic about their chances...

You know what this means?

Ron Paul's gonna come from behind and sweep this election! YES WE CAN...with a blimp!
 
Apparently, he's still campaigning in Pennsylvania, too. Haven't heard much from McCain other than that Chris Matthews college tour show.
 
It might be the 1st one I did not watch. I'm mystic like that.

Obama/Hamas '08
 
I know people will never believe me, but.....

I didn't bother to watch the last of it or check into the post-debate coverage.

Was it more of the same? Anything new that could be gleamed from this debate? Are they still set to have one in NC after April 22?

There was no post-debate coverage. They had a ton of commercials, then Stephanopoulus chatted with Gibson (I noticed how short Stephanopoulus is; he was standing while Gibson was sitting) for about 30 seconds and they went to commercials again, prompting Gibson to get booed. They used anticipation of post-debate analysis to run commercials and then never had any analysis.

I hate ABC now.
 
didn't watch the debate (Im up late doing reports for this financial season lol) but had the democratic party actually grown a pair and supported real candidates like maybe Joe Biden and John Edwards over charisma and identity politics we wouldn't be handing this election to McCain more and more each day. Its pathetic.

McCain's pathetic. He's barely winning in head-to-head polls and we don't even have a nominee yet. He stands almost no chance, even against Hillary.


But Obama's even more likely to win than her. She's only still in it because we Democrats have been bitter over Reagan winning on values instead of issues so we decided we had to win on issues and we've gotten our clocks cleaned for thirty years.

Hillary talks about issues, and calls Obama an empty suit even though they have virtually the same platform. But Obama talks about values.
 
I do not share your optimism, even giving up New Mexico, Nevada, Iowa, and Colorado, all McCain has to do is carry either Wisconsin or Michigan which are both statistically tied and trending republican, or win Pennsylvania which Obama is having a VERY hard time in right now.

Obama supporters have has a good laugh at Pennsylvania's expense on this board, but Pennsylvania is going to be HUGE this election, and unfortunately its all democratic big states that are in the game this time around. Obama has to carry ALL of them to win, and even then he could still lose.

Seen the New York poll from the 6th? New York is leaning McCain over Obama right now.
 
Seen the New York poll from the 6th? New York is leaning McCain over Obama right now.

Roger that.

McCain polled over:

Obama/Hillary
AND
Hillary/Obama

(but not over either with a third)

Still, in NY, that's impressive.

Sims is really showing his adolencense with this "landslide" thing.
 
And Obama has Hamas' endorsement.

What does it matter if a group from a backwards country endorses him for the lulz?

Are you another one of those paranoid tinfoil hats who thinks Obama is going to force the US into Sharia Law?
 
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