I couldn't agree more Jolly. After shafter is merely pointing out that there are credible opinions on the other side and now has three people on him about it, comparing him to the same kind of people who condemned Gallelio. Honestly i think we can all agree that something is going on, the causes however rmain unclear. Some people believe humans are chiefly to blame. Some still believe the jury is out and wish to wait for the evidence. Do not demean them for this. Especially when After Shafter has presented credible evidence supporting his case. More than I can say for the other three who simply believe that anyone who disagrees with their point of view is an ignorant moron. I'm fine with a discussion on global warming so long as minds are open and i refer to my previous post on the matter.