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The best cities of every civilization in Rhye's and Fall: Europe

Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall: Europe' started by El Bogus, Apr 24, 2017.

  1. El Bogus

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    I'm creating this thread because I want to know which cities are the best! I'd like to invite you to search for the strongest cities each civilization has to offer. So, welcome to this thread!

    Edit: I've changed my mind about some things. This thread shall only count production and commerce based on tile yields. Commerce through Trade routes varies way too much and it is not really dependent on the city spot apart from coastal or being on an island.
    I will allow Engineers from Blacksmiths and Guild Halls to honour extraordinary spots blessed with production and food.
    Also, it's way less complicated to just add the Gardens of Al-Andalus via world builder to the city you think to be best.

    It should be noted that the chosen city spots are not always optimal for strategy and gameplay for they are reliant on extremely late game technology, optimal ressource management and/or on razing other cities! They also don't take corporations into account.


    Before we get to it, here are the rules:
    Spoiler :
    - The deciding factors are Base Production and Base Commerce (Trade Routes do not count).
    - Cities may only be in a Core Area or in a Historically Stable Area that doesn't change its status later in the game.
    - The 500 AD map must be used.
    - All buildings that the civilization can build are allowed.
    - Wonders are not allowed, except the Gardens of Al-Andalus.
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    National wonders are allowed (two per city).
    - All dates are allowed.
    - All technologies are allowed.
    - All civics are allowed.
    - Corporations are not allowed.
    - Settling Great People is not allowed, using specialists is allowed.
    - Later spawned ressources are allowed (and may be added via Worldbuilder).
    - Randomly spawned ressources are not allowed.
    - Using the world builder is allowed if you don't alter the map. Also, you may only alter your own cities.
    - A screenshot that shows the Base Production/Base Commerce must be provided.

    - I will try to update the list as often as possible.


    Byzantium
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    France
    Most Productive City: Paris, 88 :hammers:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Arabia
    Most Productive City: Al-Qahira, 91 :hammers:
    City with most Commerce: Al-Qahira, 114 :commerce:
    Bulgaria
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Cordoba
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Venetia
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Burgundy
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Germany
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Novgorod
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Norway
    Most Productive City: Tonsberg, 56 :hammers:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Kiev
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Hungary
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Spain
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Denmark
    Most Productive City: Halmstad, 66 :hammers:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Scotland
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Poland
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Genoa
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Morocco
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    England
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Portugal
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Aragon
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Sweden
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Prussia
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Lithuania
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Ottoman Empire
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    Muscovy
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
    The Netherlands
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​

    Papal States
    Most Productive City:
    City with most Commerce:​
     
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2017
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  2. El Bogus

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  3. The Turk

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    I think it is safe to say for Byzantium it is: Constantinople, for commerce at least. But the problem is different cities have different buildings which effect commerce and production. So how do you get raw data for which city location is best? Or is this just an estimate?
     
  4. El Bogus

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    This was planned as a team effort. Whenever someone thinks he has found a better city, he can post it.

    Here is my proposition for Denmark: Halmstad with 66 :hammers:. Civ4ScreenShot0001.JPG Civ4ScreenShot0000.JPG
     
  5. El Bogus

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    Most productive city for Norway: Tonsberg, 56 :hammers:.
    Civ4ScreenShot0003.JPG Civ4ScreenShot0002.JPG
     
  6. El Bogus

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    It's not easy to find the most productive Arabian city. I cannot guarantee that this is the definite highest hammer city but as I said: You are invited to prove me wrong.

    First, I experimented with Qabis, near Tunis, and Serfdom but that only yielded 39 :hammers:.
    Spoiler :
    Civ4ScreenShot0005.JPG Civ4ScreenShot0004.JPG

    Then, I razed Sur to found Tabariyyah one tile east of Sur. It yields 52 base :hammers:. Civ4ScreenShot0007.JPG Civ4ScreenShot0006.JPG
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2017
  7. Force44

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    Hard to believe Cairo isn't the most productive Arabian city at the moment.

    I'll post a pretty screenshot eventually...

    ...but for now I'll first try to get there legit (without cheating).
     
  8. Swarbs

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    Only if you are counting the extra :gold: from the Hagia Sophia and :commerce: from the palace. Otherwise I think it is Clymsa (1N of the Marble in Egypt). It can run seven floodplain towns plus the incense and marble, with all getting +1:commerce: from a wharf in the late game. Although making it healthy enough to do so is a challenge - I don't think it reaches its full population potential until it gets a hospital.

    Production wise for Byzantium I think Thessaloniki is one of the best, certainly without razing and rebuilding at least. But it all depends on how far you are willing to go for production - keep running Apprenticeship for the windmills, wait for a Levee, keep some of the forests in place whilst you wait for Lumbermills. Either way, in my games it always ends up outproducing Constantinople, whose base production is actually quite poor considering it has iron and copper.
     
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    I think Cairo will lose out because it doesn't get a full BFC. Even with workshops all over the floodplains you will struggle to match cities full of hills for windmills etc.
     
  10. El Bogus

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    Edited the OP.
     
  11. El Bogus

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    Al-Qahira turns out to be even better than expected because I didn't think about removing the Marshland. So, here's the very lategame Cairo with 91 :hammers:.
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  12. El Bogus

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    I can't think of a better spot for commerce, either. This is Cairo with towns on every possible tile except the rice: Civ4ScreenShot0011.JPG

    114 :commerce:!
     
  13. El Bogus

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    I suspect Paris on the cows tile to be most productive in France: 88 :hammers:. Civ4ScreenShot0013.JPG
     

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