I felt so stupid, i bought a new computer pretty much just for this game (ciV) installed it and found it to be the stinking turd we have all discussed This has allowed me at least to return to cIV and play it on high end specs with the best mods for bts. Im now playing a giant world map on rise of mankind a new dawn and loving it, creating my western European empire with the Portuguese. started with 22 civs who knows how many by the end with the rev mods, and for the first time i can do it with my great new computer. SO thank you CiV!!! Things i miss, 1upt, im back to the old SOD, but at least the AI knows what to do. Diplomacy is back, i can make friends, the russians are my buddys, this never happens on cIV, but i miss the give me 10 turns to prepare for war. Ranged bombardment, now the archers are back to be useless except for city defense. No more hexes but hey its not that big a problem. couldnt care less about the city states. And everything is better than ciV. So what will you miss when you switch back to cIV? or what are you missing after leaving uninstalling ciV. If you do like ciV then thats cool just many people dont.