The Carthaginians = greatest ancient age civilization in the game.

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  1. Dantius

    Dantius Chieftain

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    I have Play the World and everything, and I've played at least 3 games... all with new Civs (the Spanish, the Scandinavians and the Carthaginians)... and I must say, Carthage is not only the best civ I played so far, but one of the greatest ancient age military powers I've played yet.

    The Numidian Mercenary is just ungodly. It's stats are tremendous, and when sent out with swordsmen and a few dozen catapaults, they are just superior to just about anything.

    I mowed down the Roman's without them being able to do anything, even with legions. With diety mode, even.

    The Greeks declared war on me but their hoplite failed to match the Numidian Mercenary's power. I settled with them, but they were not able to defeat me.

    All in all, I think Carthage is the greatest civ to use in the game, especially in the ancient age. Plus, unlike Rome where they have to try to dominate early on and then hold on to a large overextended empire with crappy civ attributes like militaristic when others have their unique units, carthage has commercial and industrial strength, so it can last a little better.

    Anyway, this is just my opinion. But who else appreciates the Carthaginians more than they thought they would?
     
  2. whodat

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    What did you think of Scandinavians and their Berserk?
     
  3. Dantius

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    The Berserk is an awesome unit and very unique for the time perioid, but unless you have a game with a lot of islands, it's not that great. I still like the numidian mercenary a lot more.
     
  4. gonzo_for_civ

    gonzo_for_civ Chicken Walker Retired Moderator

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    I think the new UU's are just too good :(

    It completely unbalances the game but that's just one negative in a pool of a lot of positives.

    Carthage is definately the best ancient civ :)
     
  5. RobOz

    RobOz Whatchoo lookin at?

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    The Berserker is quite dominating and thoroughly effective, but I agree that Carthage is perhaps the best of the new civs.

    The only reason that I don't play the Vikings is because I am not a huge fan of Expansionist civs. For anyone who can use Expansionist civs, the Vikings are the best new civ.

    I played on a lower difficulty level than usual (Regent) to get a feel for the new civs and I have to say, with that new UU I easily dominated the ancient era and thus the rest of the game.
     
  6. wotan321

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    How does the Numidian Mercenary compare to the Persian Immortal. I like playing the Persians cuz the Immortal is overpowering, but it sounds like the strong defense make the Numidian Mercenary just as powerful. I notice the cost is the same, but the NMercenary does not require any resources. Hmm... so I can start building them right away. And with the Carthagian's civ attributes, you can expand like crazy....
     
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    I play Civs because of their History and this is why I picked Carthage to play out of the new civs. Now I almost feel guilty, like I picked them because of their power. They are very powerfull, the industrious commercial combo is great. Plus the Numidian merc is awesome, i love to take a stack of Numidian's and Swordsman to attack. Also if you don't have Iron you can still be Powerfull with enough Numidian Mercs.

    I think the new UU's unbalance the game, the Berserk, and Numidian Mercenary are too powerfull. While at the same time you have crappy UU's like Man O War or Bowman.

    I previously played as the English because of course I love British History, but I feel like when I go back to playing them I'll be handycapping myself going from one of the strongest civs to one of the weakest, I think Civ has some balancing issues that need to be worked out.
     
  8. Sultan Bhargash

    Sultan Bhargash Trickster Reincarnated

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    I agree, I just started my carthaginians games but even the animation is delightful on those Numidians and they are sure to be the star players of elimination games. I haven't gotten a Celtic swordsmen yet, so maybe I will change my opinion later, but hail Carthage, the third African civ represented in Civ3!
     
  9. narmox

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    Of course the new UUs are stronger and slightly unbalance the game. It's always like this. Expansions (of any game, and not just computer games) always have to have more powerful stuff so that people will see more value in them, blablabla. "oh look! cool! then ew thing can do THIS! I couldn't do this before ! I gotta have iut!!!!" blablabla wow my speeling sucks tongiht ;)
     
  10. Silverflame

    Silverflame OBJECTION!

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    Not only do the new UUs unbalance the game, but their civ-traits are unbalancing as well. For example, industrious/commercial is pretty good, but France would be balanced out with their sucky musketeer. Now Catharge are industrious/commercial, and their UU is actually extremely powerful!

    Scandinavia is pretty balanced because of their strong beserk and not so great traits (military/expansion), but Mongols also have the same traits but their UU is nowhere as powerful as the beserk!

    Man these new civs are just completely unbalancing the game.
     
  11. Sultan Bhargash

    Sultan Bhargash Trickster Reincarnated

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    Yes, Silverflame, some Civs are going to be harder to win with than others. I noticed in Civ3 PWY that America, France, and especially England were the "hardest" civs to win with. I figured that was fine since they are late blooming civs that might possibly get chosen more anyway because America England and France provide alot of the customer base.

    True Carthage vs. France head to head would probably go Carthage's way. Some of it has to do with play style though. Carthage will get its golden age much earlier, while France should really rake in mega cash if they wait for a musketeer golden age.
     
  12. Jon Shafer

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    Peh, you haven't lived until you've upgraded 20 Knights to Siphais, and absolutely overwhelmed a civ in 5 turns. ;) Yes, they're expensive, but against it Pikemen are a joke, Musketmen don't have a chance, and even Rifleman find their superior. Even against Infantry they hold a strong chance of victory, and with their 3 movement and ability to retreat, they can dominate any battlefield for an age and a half. They're the most powerful unit in the game from the middle to industrial ages. They define the Cavalry rush. ;)
     
  13. Sultan Bhargash

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    All I can say Trip is that I can't wait!
     
  14. Jeff Yu

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    I don't get why everyone thinks these Numidian Mercenaries are so great. Their stats are 2/3/1 for 30 shields, correct? That's the same stats as the Swordsman, but reversed, and for the same cost. The Roman Legionary also costs 30 shields, but is 3/3/1, making it better all around. Persion Immortal is better attack. Greek Hoplite has same defense for cheaper. If you're using them for attack, why not just use swordsman? If you're using them for defense, or to escort your attackers, why not play Greeks and have cheaper Hoplites, or Zulus who can escort horse and prevent enemies from retreating?
     
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    I don't get why everyone thinks these Numidian Mercenaries are so great. Their stats are 2/3/1 for 30 shields, correct? That's the same stats as the Swordsman, but reversed, and for the same cost. The Roman Legionary also costs 30 shields, but is 3/3/1, making it better all around. Persion Immortal is better attack. Greek Hoplite has same defense for cheaper. If you're using them for attack, why not just use swordsman? If you're using them for defense, or to escort your attackers, why not play Greeks and have cheaper Hoplites, or Zulus who can escort horse and prevent enemies from retreating?
     
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    Sorry about the double post.
     
  17. RobOz

    RobOz Whatchoo lookin at?

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    Oh yeah, I just played a game with the Ottomans as my main enemy. Those Siphais hurt me bad. I started the war thinking it would be an easy victory and I ended up only taking 2 cities and having to use the rest of my energy defending and counter attacking. (This was my first time dealing with these UU's.) I must have forgotten about them. I right clicked them and was like, "What the --? 8/3/3? I hate you Ottomans!!"
     
  18. vanderbilt_grad

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    Legions require Iron Working tech and Iron as a resource. Numidians only need Bronze Working tech and no special resource so you can start making them sooner. You can have several of these guys before the first Legoin unit gets built.
     
  19. Sultan Bhargash

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    Not to mention that but it isn't like your Numidian mercenaries are going to be killed in the field waiting to attack. AFAIK these are the most versatile offense/defense units in the ancient age.
     
  20. redhulkz

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    numbidian mer is a ancient unit. and ancient units get obsolete fast as time progress. thats 1 bad point. u have to exploit numbidian mer's advantage by expanding fast in early stage.:D
     

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