The Christian Mod

[BodyOfChrist]

Jesus Christ also has no affiliation with America whatsoever, except for the fact that the United States was created by Christians and was built upon Judeo-Christian values.

Seems like pretty good reason to me.

Wouldn't it make more sense to make a BALANCED religion mod if you don't like other people's work?

Read the part where I openly state my intention to make an "unabashedly pro-Christian mod" I did not attempt at "balance" and openly stated so.

I do think this is a pretty sad way to alter Christianity in Civ4. As a Christian, I find it pretty sad to put Jesus and George W. as the leaders of America. George W. is the leader of a secular nation, while Jesus had nothing to do with America

The United States of America is not secular and if it is, it is in name only. George Washington himself stated that religion was an crucial part of the founding of America.

"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labour to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men & citizens" - George Washington

In a general order dated July 9, 1776, Gen. Washington wrote:

"The blessing and protection of Heaven are at all times necessary but especially so in times of public distress and danger – The General hopes and trusts that every officer and man will endeavour so to live, and act, as becomes a Christian Soldier defending the dearest Rights and Liberties of his country."

http://www.livingepistle.org/News_Church_History/God_Washington.htm

Also of interest to some will be this about the origins of our Constitution.

" And the Constitution is hardly a Godless document that denies either God's existence or America's duty to God.

Its Preamble states: "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

And it ends with these words: "Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independence of the United States of America the Twelfth. In Witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names."

The goal was to secure God's blessings and the Lord was Jesus Christ.

America's greatest chief justice, John Marshall, had no doubt about it when he proclaimed in 1833: "The American population is entirely Christian, and with us Christianity and Religion are identified. It would be strange indeed, if with such a people, our institutions did not presuppose Christianity, and did not often refer to it, and exhibit relations to it."

On July 4, 1837, President John Quincey Adams left no doubt that Americans showed expected religious values to inform public policy and religious expression to be welcome in the public square:

"Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the World, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day.

"Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the Progress of the Gospel dispensation?

"Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth?

"That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity and gave to the world the first irrevocable pledge of the fulfillment of the prophecies announced directly from Heaven at the birth of the Savior and predicted by the greatest of the Hebrew prophets 600 years before."

Atheists and other secular extremists find these heartfelt words upsetting, but the First Amendment had been adopted to protect religious expression in the public square even by the President of the United States.

The First Amendment does NOT state that church and state shall forever be separated in America.

It states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...."

Now Chief Justice William Rehnquist rightly asserted in dissent in Wallace v. Jaffree (1985) that the establishment clause was intended only to stop the federal government from establishing a national church or preferring one sect over another, and certainly not to require governmental neutrality between religion and "irreligion.""

 

[BodyOfChrist]

You will agree, there is indeed a Human Right to preach to those the Human Rights which use the Human Rights as a Human Right, when they discuss the Human Rights should be used wisely and not vulgar.

I am sorry I have no idea of what you just said.

 

[BodyOfChrist]

And, uh, didn't Jesus protest when people called him ''king of the jews''? I don't think he would appriciate this.

Another misconception. Part of the reason I made this mod is to educate people about the true teachings of the Bible and the Christian faith. IMO, saying that "but I'm a Christian.." does not impress me. Many people call themselves Christian but do not go to Church, do not pray, do not follow the words of the Bible, do not follow the teachings of Christ so merely stating that you call yourself a Christian means nothing to me.

Now with this quote, I refer you to the Bible. Specifically the following passages:

From BibleTruths.net (the Bold and underlined I have added)

"Many claim to worship and serve Jesus, but they deny the real Jesus of the scriptures."

"In Revelation 17: 14 Jesus is called "Lord of lords, and King of kings.""

The Kingship of Jesus was prophesied. There are a number of prophesies that mention the fact Jesus would be King and that also help us to identify when Jesus would assume Kingship (see 2 Sam. 7: 12, 13; Jere. 23: 5, 6; Isa. 9: 6; Dan. 2: 44). Perhaps the most interesting prophesy regarding Jesus' kingship is found in Zechariah 6: 12, 13:

"31: When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34: Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world…" (Matt. 25)."

"In closing, Jesus is now Potentate, Lord of lords, and King of kings. Any doctrine to the contrary attempts to strip Jesus of his regality and is false. In view of Jesus' Kingship, we are obligated to submit to his reign (Lk. 19: 14, 27). Alas, many want to view Jesus as Savior, but not as Potentate, Lord of lords, and King of Kings."

 

[AndyTerry]

I see America as the last great Christian nation, where there is still a large, devoted group of followers and I felt the honor should go to America.

Don't want to swear in English, so will say only 'ёб твою мать, бля'
Hope, all russians on that forum won't be hurted.
If you knew how I hate such ideas. Can I ask you, are you american yourself?

 

[RED DIAMOND]

This has become quite an interesting thread.

 

[HolyOne]

This guy certainly has one cog less. All this bullsh*t about bush. But my personal favourite is Jesus as leader of america

 

[BodyOfChrist]

PS. Where are the left-wing and atheistic mods you mention. The only thing I saw was an anti Bush mod but hte author clearly stated it was just a joke.

This is from the sig and post of Leif:

JESUS CHRIST
Spiritual, Philosophical
favorite civic : Theocracy

GEORGE W. BUSH
Spiritual, Aggressive
Favorite civic: police state

Thank you bodyochrist, I am not inspired to make an atheist mod.

"God is dead."
__________________
Socialism needs democracy like the human body needs oxygen - Leon Trotsky
If you tremble indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine - Ernesto Guevara
Health can’t be privatized because it is a fundamental human right, nor can education, water, electricity and other public services - Hugo Chavez
The proletarians of the world have nothing to lose but their chains - The Communist Manifesto
Member of the Democratic Socialist party

Need I say more?

There have been numerous mods of the Soviet Union, Vietnam, leaders such as Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, and Ho Chi Minh... The Q-Meister in this thread has made the Vietnam civ with Ho Chi Minh and he says he plans on making Cuba, an Anarchist civ, and has openly advocated for an athiest addition to the game while making anti-Christian remarks. Garret_Sdska says he wants to make an whole Revolution/Anarchist scenario. The list is virtually endless while there is hardly anyone who speaks up for Christian values and Christian beliefs.

I intend to.

And as for

"God is dead."

Atheism is dead.

 

[Goblin Fanatic]

BodyofChrist, thou art false. No, really, you're not making any kind of contribution to the atheist agenda by role-playing a defunct Christian. You might try to lure the moderate Christians of this forum to either criticize you or defend your points. You might lure the atheist or freedom-of-religion people to throw insults, so they not only insult you but also Christanity as whole. This is not a left-winged forum in my opinion, it's actually very moderate in my perception. I'd sooner believe that Jesus was born in Texas than i'll believe you are posting this for serious.

 

[AndyTerry]

Oh, <snip>, man... O thought this forum is for Civ fanatics, not religious. 'Cuba is an anarchist nation'... Nonsense...

Moderator Action: Warned. Language.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[AndyTerry]

I'd sooner believe that Jesus was born in Texas than i'll believe you are posting this for serious.

I Agree

 

[Leif]

Atheism is dead.

There are 1.1 billion agnostic atheists in the world. The problem here is that you calim that the movement is no longer alive, yet I retort by saying that at least the movement was ever alive (as opposed to the big boogieman in the closet some call god). However both you and I know Atheism as a movment is still quite very alive. What Nietzsche ment by that was that religion (and specifically Christianity) was no longer a positive force in humanity, he called for humans to reject religion in order to fully re-evaluate morality in order to fully develop creative abilities to fully develop without the constraints of an archaic and constricting belief system getting in the way.

However we arn't here to discuss theory, I merely stated my opinion about the mod and the fact that
1: The man who you call Jesus has been the cause for theocracy worldwide.

and

2: George Bush is the American 'president' who has been the most despotic in power in American history.

I didn't ever say that you didn't have the right to make this mod, however I believe it fair to counterbalence it with equally secular beliefs.

I would flame you if you re-named it the 'absolute truth' mod or the 'true way' mod or somthing, you flatly state that the beliefs presented in this mod are your own, albeit laughable ones.

Also, since we're bringing sigs into this, why should 'god' only bless the American soldiers?

 

[AndyTerry]

One Nation under GOD.

Keep GOD in God Bless America.

God Bless our Troops. God Bless our President.

Heh, as I said, he's american... No one could make Jesus american but american

 

[SomethingWitty]

I'm a bit curious how you reconcile with this particular piece of U.S. legistlation

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

and that Jesus was dead and buried over 1,700 years before the U.S. was founded.

Seems a bit like making Ramses II the leader of Canada.

 

[Leif]

Heh, as I said, he's american... No one could make Jesus american but american

As someone who lives in the midwest of America, I agree completely. To most Americans (and Christians in general) Christ is an Anglo-saxon, or an Aryan. But in all truth (if he existed) he would look like a Palestianian or a Jew, or maybe be black, but certainly not white.

 

[SonOfMars]

Not so much a joke then. Still one thing will be true with 800% conversion rate the wars will match history in the main.

Must be well written nobody has reported any bugs. HaHa

 

[upstart]

This guy really scares me. If this is the way that all evangelicals think, wow. I would guess that if they took complete power in america(not that much a fantasy the way things are today), that everyone of a non-christian belief system would need to leave america to escape persecution. It is funny how they seem to forget america was founded by people doing exactly that. Well what do they care right? They are all going to heaven soon and we are going to hell soon. So whens the exodus mod coming bodyofchrist? sheesh.

 

[O.O. Howard]

I have thought that it would be neat to make mod changes in the religions along these lines... such as to make Christianity give a bonus to science for the civ that has it. But even as a Christian i know that isnt quite right. There was a time when Islam was quite scholarly and had a magnificent culture whilst the christians seemed to be sliding backwards.
I think the mod in this post is silly. I would rather be an American Christian who makes good mods than make 'an american christian mod!

 

[Badmojo]

what a world....

this must be some kind of stupid joke, like those stupid muslim cartoons

Bush and jesus in the same "box"?!?!?
Bush and jebus (as homer simpson would say ) are to COMPLETE OPPosites!


i'm quite sure that jesus if he was leader of usa
wouldn't have death as a punishment for crime, ...
....he would forgive them and help them become better
he wouldn't invade a country if he was attacked,
....he would open his doors and make them feel welcome
he wouldn't steal every drop of oil,
...he would even be interested in it
he wouldn't vote against the kyoto agrrement,
...he would do everything he could to help save his fathers creations and not help destroy
he wouldn't spy on his own citizens against the law,
he wouldn't lie to get his country into war....

...and if usa was a christian nation and if the christian leaders really was christian they would never accept bush&#180;s gov't and all the bad thing they do..

so calling usa a christian nation

the only intelligent thing in your post is bush favorite civic police state, excatly what he is turning the USA into...

i'm offended and embarresed on behalf of all the true christians out there

i say get off the computer and read some books about jesus and what he stands for...
there is a book (the most printet book in the world, only supassed by the ikea magasine) called the bible (don't know if you have heard about it) where the actions and speeches of jesus are written, i suggest you read it


...kids.... tsk tsk tsk

 

[Xonic]

If someone wants to do a realistic religion mod, they might take a look at the current worldwide population breakdown:

Hinduism: ~780 Million (~13%)
Confucianism: ~5 Million (~0.1%)
Buddhism: ~325 Million (~5.4%)
Islam: ~1.1 BILLION (~18%)
Judaism: ~18 Million (~0.3 %)
Christianity: ~2.0 BILLION (~33%)
Taoism: (Too small to be on the radar screen of a "world" religion)

These stats are from Adherents.com (If I copied them correctly)

has this stats taken into consideration that most people in china are somewhat buddhism but because the chinese government prohibits practice of religion they can't come out of the closet and declare themselves buddhism?

/longest single sentence I've written today

 

[wazward]

Extremism scares me be it muslim, christian or even atheism. it is always harmful.