The Cold War Deluxe; 1950-1991
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I_batman
Emperor
Gee Mprilla, sorry that one of El Justo's projects is not to your liking. I have helped El Justo a fair bit with TCW over the past couple years, and the files have been used many, many times.
If I recall, I had corrupted files myself the very first time I downloaded. However, the problem was definitely on my side. I would bet on that being the problem.
Now, as to El Justo not supporting this scenario, there are a number of users and a couple hundred pages in this thread that prove that statement quite wrong.
I checked out all 10 of your posts over the last two years. This is an extremely large, detailed scenario and you will have the same problems you had two years ago with Rocoteh's WWII-Global scenario. Based on that, I would make a recommendation. Don't try to download this scenario. Don't try to play it. It will only bring you frustration and anger.
If I recall, I had corrupted files myself the very first time I downloaded. However, the problem was definitely on my side. I would bet on that being the problem.
Now, as to El Justo not supporting this scenario, there are a number of users and a couple hundred pages in this thread that prove that statement quite wrong.
I checked out all 10 of your posts over the last two years. This is an extremely large, detailed scenario and you will have the same problems you had two years ago with Rocoteh's WWII-Global scenario. Based on that, I would make a recommendation. Don't try to download this scenario. Don't try to play it. It will only bring you frustration and anger.
I_batman
Emperor
You know Mprilla, you are right.
You have proven to the TCW world I am a liar and a child.
I am also pretty sure as that as I sulk like a child I won't be sending you any files, uncorrupted or otherwise. I am also fairly certain none of my childish TCW friends won't be either, even though you have asked so politely and shown great patience with the immature lot of us.
Being a child, I will now also copy cat the behaviour of another person you were so polite with two years ago. I will now ignore you and not post a reply to anything comments you post.
You win.
Considering several people have had corrupted downloads and have followed the sound advice of simply doing another download and having that fix their issue, then I would say the help/advice I gave you was based on what had helped other people and not a lack of help at all but rather very sound advice that has proven to work for others who have gone on to enjoy the scenario.
Sorry, but I think I am with I Batman on this one.. obviously we are wrong and you are right.
Sorry, but I think I am with I Batman on this one.. obviously we are wrong and you are right.
Moderator Action: Mprilla, when people offer you advice in a pleasant way, you are free to take it or not, but there is no need to react like that. In particular, please do not report a whole string of completely inoffensive posts. The offering of advice does not necessarily constitute an attempt to begin a flame war.
Keroro
Dororo: Ninja Frog
Don't know, but there's a quote in post 4024 and you should be able to piece together the rest from the answers.
Thanks to Samez I now have the files I asked for. And it worked like a charm. Had any of you simply sent me the files I asked for I would have stopped having to post here long ago. All anyone had to do was send me the files I asked for as Samez did and the problem would be solved. Not accuse me of stuff or say this or that. Just send me the files. I knew what I needed and it worked. Samez is an adult and I thank him.
El Justo
Deity
i figured now is as good a time as any other to announce that we've been working on the next version of TCW. abd there's lots of changes and adjustments that we're going to introduce.
first off - we've adopted a much larger map. now, of course, this will impact turn times some. however, it was always our grand wish to have TCW play out on a larger map. so now is the time
furthermore, in order to sort of mitigate the effects of the longer turn times, we've limited this v2.0 to only the 1950s. out initial intent is to keep each base unit of time at a month or 4 weeks. but this hasn't been confirmed yet. it may shake out to be 3 weeks for every turn. we'll have to hash this part out.
secondly - i've completely revamped the buildings and wonders. lots of the original buildings are still in there. however, i added in a bunch of new ones based off of the new resources. this is similar to how the buildings in AoI are formatted (ie a coal mine needs coal w/in the city radius, uranium mine needs uranium, etc etc). and we are in the beginning stages of testing out the 'reverse capture the flag' method that was so successful w/ AoI (ie the 'raw material' units). this will be a w-i-p though.
next is the govt types - this is one area we pinpointed a while ago. by this i mean that we wanted to even out the field some by allowing for the red civs to be able to rush units via paid labor instead of sacrificing population points. quite frankly, the population sacrifices had a terrible effect on the commie civs. so we even it all out in this regard. in addition to this, i added in several other govt types and we're going to adjust each type accordingly to place a stronger emphasis on the unit support costs rates. this willmean that more gold will have to be allocated to maintaining, say, one's armored forces. for example, infantry units will not require support but armored units will. so if you want to build a slew of armor and ignore your infantry then you'll have to ante up again, this is a w-i-p and we'll need to do a good deal of testing to be sure that it works as we have envisioned it.
there is also an ongoing unit line audit that we've been doing. and this is clearly the most grueling aspect of the design phase. i've got most of the naval unit lines finished and we've started w/ the air units. now, it is not as if we're taking any type of radical departure from the previous TCW unit lines. instead, what we're trying to do is to supplement the existing lines and sort of plug any gaps and/or enhance the existing models. more on that as i post my notes from the audits.
lastly - the eventual release of v2.0 is contingent upon the release of SOE since many of the gfx will be used from it. so i can't say for certain when this'll be. but it is closer than you may think
i hope to post periodic updates from my r&d notes to keep people updated.
first off - we've adopted a much larger map. now, of course, this will impact turn times some. however, it was always our grand wish to have TCW play out on a larger map. so now is the time
furthermore, in order to sort of mitigate the effects of the longer turn times, we've limited this v2.0 to only the 1950s. out initial intent is to keep each base unit of time at a month or 4 weeks. but this hasn't been confirmed yet. it may shake out to be 3 weeks for every turn. we'll have to hash this part out.secondly - i've completely revamped the buildings and wonders. lots of the original buildings are still in there. however, i added in a bunch of new ones based off of the new resources. this is similar to how the buildings in AoI are formatted (ie a coal mine needs coal w/in the city radius, uranium mine needs uranium, etc etc). and we are in the beginning stages of testing out the 'reverse capture the flag' method that was so successful w/ AoI (ie the 'raw material' units). this will be a w-i-p though.
next is the govt types - this is one area we pinpointed a while ago. by this i mean that we wanted to even out the field some by allowing for the red civs to be able to rush units via paid labor instead of sacrificing population points. quite frankly, the population sacrifices had a terrible effect on the commie civs. so we even it all out in this regard. in addition to this, i added in several other govt types and we're going to adjust each type accordingly to place a stronger emphasis on the unit support costs rates. this willmean that more gold will have to be allocated to maintaining, say, one's armored forces. for example, infantry units will not require support but armored units will. so if you want to build a slew of armor and ignore your infantry then you'll have to ante up
again, this is a w-i-p and we'll need to do a good deal of testing to be sure that it works as we have envisioned it.there is also an ongoing unit line audit that we've been doing. and this is clearly the most grueling aspect of the design phase. i've got most of the naval unit lines finished and we've started w/ the air units. now, it is not as if we're taking any type of radical departure from the previous TCW unit lines. instead, what we're trying to do is to supplement the existing lines and sort of plug any gaps and/or enhance the existing models. more on that as i post my notes from the audits.
lastly - the eventual release of v2.0 is contingent upon the release of SOE since many of the gfx will be used from it. so i can't say for certain when this'll be. but it is closer than you may think
i hope to post periodic updates from my r&d notes to keep people updated.
Virote_Considon
The Great Dictator
I was playing this scenario for the first time in a few months the other day as the Arabs. It was crazy! First, I practically bulldozed the North Africans (their last city was saved because the Central Africans declaired peace on them 
). Then, it was on/off war with the "West", and I lost (but re-gained, just about) Basra to the South-East Asians!
I like the sound of a new update. I bet the new VP's make the AI use its navy in this scenario, too, which is always a bonus. However, have you thought of streching the scenario, so that instead of just the 50's, it encompases the 60's too? Maybe even the early 70's? (although 70's may be too out of the scope
)
). Then, it was on/off war with the "West", and I lost (but re-gained, just about) Basra to the South-East Asians!I like the sound of a new update. I bet the new VP's make the AI use its navy in this scenario, too, which is always a bonus. However, have you thought of streching the scenario, so that instead of just the 50's, it encompases the 60's too? Maybe even the early 70's? (although 70's may be too out of the scope
)
El Justo
Deity
below is a rough list of what is in store for the new naval lines for this TCW version. note that a new class of units will be introduced on a broad scale: frigates. i know that in the past we steered clear of putting them in there since they're so small and the map did not really accomodate them. however, this larger map and the asw roles of frigates during this time period neccessitated their inclusion.
Samez
Emperor
Will west germany and lowlands be splitted?
There will be austria and swiss, does it mean there is an other neutral faction?
And if Portugal and Spain are split is there any chance Spain not being part of the NATO (they joined in 1982 (?)) or will it be part of the neutrals?
BTW is there any chance for china to get some soviet ships? Don't know how it was in rl but it might be hmm challenging if even India will have it's own shiptype...
There will be austria and swiss, does it mean there is an other neutral faction?
And if Portugal and Spain are split is there any chance Spain not being part of the NATO (they joined in 1982 (?)) or will it be part of the neutrals?
BTW is there any chance for china to get some soviet ships? Don't know how it was in rl but it might be hmm challenging if even India will have it's own shiptype...
Very good idea my artist friend El Justo.
In fact that was how I played the Russians with this beautiful scenario of yours earlier. Otherwise, it was nonsense and no fun playing the Russians. Too much messacre for no real outcome!... Ihhh... I enjoıy producing, not the killing! By the way, pls. excuse my bluntness here, but I certainly wouldn't have mentioned it this way unless I saw the above message anyhow.
Also, economically speaking, all forms of governments, one way or another, use or have used some form of money -or some medium of exchange, meaning the very same thing to be exact- during their existence. I don't even know why killing populations for speading production idea was even acknowledged, except may be for the very first stages of "theoratical" human existence, about which we hardly and "really" know anything for sure.
So, a very good shot friend.
..and, waiting for it anxiously of course!..
El Justo
Deity
hi Samez
yes, W Germany will now stand alone which is how we've always wanted it really but the smallish map prevented us from doing so. now WG will have about 10-12 cities.
Austria and Switzerland now have a place on the map as well. i know it seems a little weird to have them combined like that. but there was no real option to let them each stand alone. the Swiss btw have only one city.
the neutral question is a tough one b/c it is hard to leave a civ out in the open like that b/c either the reds or the blues will come knocking. or worse, both of them. so generally speaking, we're inclined to lump Spain and Portugal and even the Austria-Switz civ into the blue alliance. however, nothing is locked in stone and we'd much prefer to have them neutral assuming that game-play and balancve are where we want for it to be
China in the 1950s had almost zero 'blue ocean' type ships in its inventory. however, they did, in time, receive some of the garbage soviet ships. but most of them were of the coastal variety (MTBs & midget subs & a few ww2 era DDs). of course, if we can find a class of ships that may enhance them so in line with history then by all means, we'd toss them into their line. for the time being though - they stand to recveive the generic line.
El Justo
Deity
hi again OrhanVery good idea my artist friend El Justo.
In fact that was how I played the Russians with this beautiful scenario of yours earlier. Otherwise, it was nonsense and no fun playing the Russians. Too much messacre for no real outcome!... Ihhh... I enjoıy producing, not the killing! By the way, pls. excuse my bluntness here, but I certainly wouldn't have mentioned it this way unless I saw the above message anyhow.
Also, economically speaking, all forms of governments, one way or another, use or have used some form of money -or some medium of exchange, meaning the very same thing to be exact- during their existence. I don't even know why killing populations for speading production idea was even acknowledged, except may be for the very first stages of "theoratical" human existence, about which we hardly and "really" know anything for sure.
So, a very good shot friend.
..and, waiting for it anxiously of course!..
yes, yes, i think it was you who made a brief mention of the gold rush v. population rush. so yeah, it should make a big difference as you noted. and i've thought along similar lines as you mentioned w/ the 'medium of exchange' thingie
i hope to post some more info over the weekend, primarily air force stuff and their audit. it gets a little easier after the high-end civs are finshed...so stay tuned.
I_batman
Emperor
One big thing with the economy is getting more balance into costs vs GP production. One of the keys is this game will be no more building up a massive mechanized forces with tons of high end units without financial conseqeuences.
This will mean a lot higher support costs for high end units, high end city improvements, and zero or low costs for low end units.
This will mean a lot higher support costs for high end units, high end city improvements, and zero or low costs for low end units.
RedwallFortress
Necromancer Emperor
Great to hear that v2.0 is in the works. Am enjoying currant one vastly.
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