The Concepts of Eastern and Western Europe

[Domen]

Britain has always been different culturally than continental Western Europe.

British Isles thus count as a "specific region" on its own, not part of Western Europe.

 

[gay_Aleks]

I enjoy how they've laconically labelled Bulgaria with a simple "A Mongrel East", as if that's all to say to it.

And guess what? They'd be about right.

Britain has always been different culturally than continental Western Europe.

British Isles thus count as a "specific region" on its own, not part of Western Europe.

Anglo-Saxons, and the Normans came from Europe.

 

[Domen]

Anglo-Saxons, and the Normans came from Europe.

So what ??? White Australians also came from Europe.

BTW - Normans and Anglo-Saxons originally came from Scandinavia.

As you noticed, I also marked Scandinavia as a "specific region".

 

[metatron]

Do we really need to have this inane debate again?

As long as Anglosphere derps make talk smack about central European places like, say, Slovenia on this forum, yes, we do.

2) Due to the trauma's associated with government planning and the Communist era, there is a consensus towards economic libertarianism, left-and-right, as well as Pro-American outlook in foreign policy.
3) They are more anti-Russian than Western European countries, Russia being culturally European, but geopolitically Asian. They are more or less sandwiched between Russia one hand, and Germany, Italy and France, who seek rapproachement with Russia, relying on Russian gas, and Russia relying more on them for its profits.

Former East-Germany wouldn't consitute Eastern European, since it has assimilated to the 'West German' political culture.

Oh, really?

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[Oruc]

Britain has always been different culturally than continental Western Europe.

British Isles thus count as a "specific region" on its own, not part of Western Europe.

Oh god how many times will you stealth edit this post

Every place in Europe is culturally different to some other place, that is a complete non-statement.

Slavs are Asiatic interlopers!

 

[Domen]

Stop being butthurt Domen, you're the wests advanced outpost you should be proud!

Poland is tired of being an advanced outpost of the West. Where are the benefits ???

Time to become the main stronghold of the Centre instead. More profitable.

Slavs are Asiatic interlopers!

Except that Slavs did not come from Asia, but from one place in Europe to other places in Europe.

And of course later Russians expanded from Europe to Asia as well.

You confused Slavs with Hungarians and Turks, perhaps.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Except that Australia has history of some 300 years, give or take. As an independent state, just over a century.

Meanwhile, in Britain, they've got more than 2000 years, ranging from a (ironically, no) no more but a western advanced outpost to an overseas empire, to what it is today.

Also, with the Normans coming from Scandinavia, you could make the case that Britain is in fact, part of Scandinavia (please don't blow me up, kthxbai).

Except that Slavs did not come from Asia, but from one place in Europe to other places in Europe.

And of course later Russians expanded from Europe to Asia as well.

You confused Slavs with Hungarians and Turks, perhaps.

Apparently, there always were Slavs, just waiting for the right tribe to push them out.

 

[Domen]

no more but a western advanced outpost to an overseas empire, to what it is today.

Yes. And that was British Empire, not Western European Empire.

Because Britain is not part of Western Europe. Britain is Britain.

Britain has Common Law, while Europe has Civil Law. Etc., etc., etc.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Britain is Britain and part of Europe. Politically, and as of some 35 years, geographically, too.

 

[Oruc]

Except that Australia has history of some 300 years, give or take. As an independent state, just over a century.

Meanwhile, in Britain, they've got more than 2000 years, ranging from a (ironically, no) no more but a western advanced outpost to an overseas empire, to what it is today.

Also, with the Normans coming from Scandinavia, you could make the case that Britain is in fact, part of Scandinavia (please don't blow me up, kthxbai).

Also considering the third Rome was in Moscow (and only fell in 1917) the centre of Europe is actually in Russia

 

[gay_Aleks]

Also considering the third Rome (and only fell in 1917) was in Moscow the centre of Europe is actually in Russia

That won't end well, will it?

 

[Domen]

with the Normans coming from Scandinavia, you could make the case that Britain is in fact, part of Scandinavia.

No because Normans mixed with previous population of Britain, adopted their culture, etc.

Britain is Britain and part of Europe.

Britain is part of the region of Europe called "British Isles". But not part of Western Europe.

Also considering the third Rome (and only fell in 1917) was in Moscow

More like Second Constantinople than Third Rome. Which suggests that Moscow might be part of Balkans.

 

[gay_Aleks]

No because Normans mixed with previous population of Britain, adopted their language, culture, etc.



Britain is part of the region of Europe called "British Isles". But not part of Western Europe.

It's a part of it. Look, it's in the EU, founder member, part of all their bloody alliances and coalitions that led to some rather unfortunate things.

You can't just cut them in a corner and say "You stay there!". Victorian politicians tried that, it didn't end exactly well.

 

[Domen]

Apparently, there always were Slavs, just waiting for the right tribe to push them out.

Slavic ethnogenesis took place in Europe. This is what I meant.

Do you think that "there always were Germans"? No.

But do you think that Germanic tribes came from Asia?

Look, it's in the EU, founder member, part of all their bloody alliances and coalitions

Britain is the most reluctant of all old EU members. Britain has historically had policies of preserving "the balance of power" in Europe.

 

[gay_Aleks]

It's all shady and misty in the early centuries, and we can't say for sure.

 

[Domen]

Well it is accepted that Germanic language was "born" in Scandinavia.

And Slavic ethnogenesis also took place in Europe - in Ukraine most probably.

 

[gay_Aleks]

Slavic ethnogenesis took place in Europe. This is what I meant.

Do you think that "there always were Germans"? No.

But do you think that Germanic tribes came from Asia?



Britain is the most reluctant of all old EU members. Britain has historically had policies of preserving "the balance of power" in Europe.

Changes nothing. It's still part of it.

 

[Domen]

I don't deny this. I only say that Britain is part of Europe, but not part of "Western Europe".

 

[gay_Aleks]

It is. They fought several wars over it. Didn't end well for any of the sides.

 

[Oruc]

Britain is the most reluctant of all old EU members. Britain has historically had policies of preserving "the balance of power" in Europe.

Didn't most? Didn't Austria take part in the partitions of Poland in an effort to maintain the balance of power in the east?