The Conspiracy Theorists were Right!

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The world is completely rigged.

From Matt Taibbi:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ed-the-biggest-financial-scandal-yet-20130425

But the biggest shock came out of a federal courtroom at the end of March – though if you follow these matters closely, it may not have been so shocking at all – when a landmark class-action civil lawsuit against the banks for Libor-related offenses was dismissed. In that case, a federal judge accepted the banker-defendants' incredible argument: If cities and towns and other investors lost money because of Libor manipulation, that was their own fault for ever thinking the banks were competing in the first place.

"A farce," was one antitrust lawyer's response to the eyebrow-raising dismissal.

"Incredible," says Sylvia Sokol, an attorney for Constantine Cannon, a firm that specializes in antitrust cases.

Largest theft in history. Page 10 news.

It's the sheeps' fault for getting ripped off because they thought the game wasn't rigged. Case dismissed!
 
Considering the political makeup of most federal judges, I'm not surprised.
 
You may have heard of the Libor scandal, in which at least three – and perhaps as many as 16 – of the name-brand too-big-to-fail banks have been manipulating global interest rates, in the process messing around with the prices of upward of $500 trillion (that's trillion, with a "t") worth of financial instruments. When that sprawling con burst into public view last year, it was easily the biggest financial scandal in history – MIT professor Andrew Lo even said it "dwarfs by orders of magnitude any financial scam in the history of markets."

That was bad enough, but now Libor may have a twin brother. Word has leaked out that the London-based firm ICAP, the world's largest broker of interest-rate swaps, is being investigated by American authorities for behavior that sounds eerily reminiscent of the Libor mess. Regulators are looking into whether or not a small group of brokers at ICAP may have worked with up to 15 of the world's largest banks to manipulate ISDAfix, a benchmark number used around the world to calculate the prices of interest-rate swaps.

Interest-rate swaps are a tool used by big cities, major corporations and sovereign governments to manage their debt, and the scale of their use is almost unimaginably massive. It's about a $379 trillion market, meaning that any manipulation would affect a pile of assets about 100 times the size of the United States federal budget.


$500 trillion. $379 trillion.
Are there any experts around who can explain why the numbers in these scams are so huge?
I didn't know there was that much money on Earth.
 
Those crazy Libor guys, eh?

I think they're just being financially creative. What's wrong with that? It's free market economics. If you don't like it, keep your money in gold coins under the bed.

(Don't whatever you do give a bank anything to keep in safe deposit box. They don't really want it, and they've a good history of losing stuff.)
 
Hows this for an idea: "After the collapse of the Soviet Union there's no need to pay attention to workers/population".
 
And it gets worse. More and more big corporations are avoiding paying any tax at all, using the same sort of scheme as Google: http://www.cnbc.com/id/100296831

I don't see how a major financial meltdown is avoidable in the long run. Barring a world government and some draconian regulation, that is.
 
It's looking like an impossibility as far as large international companies is concerned.

And the trouble is it gives the largest ones a substantial advantage, meaning that more and more wealth is going to be concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, as the large companies swallow up smaller ones. Which means that national governments will have less tax from corporations and will have to raise their revenue solely from their citizens. This, I think, cannot end well.
 
Yes! I think it's a pertinent question. How far would they be happy with it?

Or did you really mean: "Please don't ask that, you fool, Borachio!"?
 
No, I just thought you would know their rhetoric by now.
 
$500 trillion. $379 trillion.
Are there any experts around who can explain why the numbers in these scams are so huge?
I didn't know there was that much money on Earth.


Those numbers don't seem real. I'm not sure how they arrived at them. But then this is the derivatives markets. Which, honestly, should not be permitted to exist in the first place. And so does not reflect actual assets of any description.
 
Does money ever become dangerously abstract?

This is the thought that keeps me from filling with "glorious future" goo and getting super excited about entirely cashless societies. I think holding a quarter makes money more concrete to people, even if it's just an illusion of agreement. I instinctively recoil at the thought that years and years of hard work is reduced to little more than MMO loot.
 
Sure. And derivatives are it. Derivatives serve no economic function at all. They are just gambling. And because they serve no function, there is no limit on their numbers. Most bonds come in 2 types: They are either issued by governments, or by large businesses. They are a way that both governments and businesses raise money to fund operations and investments. But they only issue bonds within limits. Consider, there are a lot of people talking about how huge the US federal debt has become. It is huge. It is some $15tillion. Yet these libor articles are throwing around figures like $350trillion! More than 20 times the size of the US federal debt! Numbers like that are stupid insane. Consider the commercial bond market:

As of 2009, the size of the worldwide bond market (total debt outstanding) is an estimated $82.2 trillion,[2] of which the size of the outstanding U.S. bond market debt was $31.2 trillion according to Bank for International Settlements (BIS), or alternatively $35.2 trillion as of Q2 2011 according to Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association (SIFMA).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bond_market

So the numbers of these derivatives is 10 times the size of the whole US commercial bond market.

How is that even possible?
Spoiler :

Through massive fraud.
 
It sounds like a playground full of 5yr olds swapping IOUs for thousands of dollars :lol:
 
It sounds like a playground full of 5yr olds swapping IOUs for thousands of dollars :lol:

It is, really. Some of those Ireland (or was it Iceland) banks that blew up so badly got their start by having 1 guy sell his cat to another guy for $1billion and then buying the 1st guy's dog for $1billion and then claiming they had $2billion in assets.
 
I don't recall the exact quote. But it was in one of the many books I read on the financial crisis.
 
hey, no one is stopping you guys from getting a delicious piece of this bank corruption pie
 
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