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The Deity Challenge Line-up #34 - Egypt

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Strategy & Tips' started by Acken, Jul 1, 2015.

  1. Acken

    Acken Deity

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    There is now a thread to express yourself if you have remarks and ideas:
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=546469

    Welcome to the Deity Challenge Line-up!



    - The spreadsheet of all challenge finishers to date has been updated and is available here.
    Rules:
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    This was a fortnightly event, but the schedule has changed and new games will now be posted every 10 days.

    - All the games in this series are set to Deity difficulty.
    - User civilizations, maps, and opponents change with each challenge, but the game speed is always set to Standard and the starting era is always Ancient.
    - We try for a variety of starts
    - This isn't a competition so there will be no predefined victory conditions.
    - If you complete 5 challenges, your name will be added to the 'Top Finishers' list.

    * We welcome all comments and write-ups and invite you to post screenshots of key moments and the moment of victory (if you are successful), but please use the spoiler tag if you post a picture, make a comment about which civs are in the game, or about wonders, or locations of ancient ruins, etc.

    * In short, if it’s information you can only know by playing the game, don’t spoil it for others by divulging this information in the open. Thank you for your co-operation

    New - For better view please put your results in bold letters so that the person that updates the spreadsheet can quickly see it.

    DCL Game #34
    You: Egyppt
    Map Type:
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    Europe

    Extra Settings:
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    -West side land connected
    -Raging barbs

    Difficulty:
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    Medium


    Starting Location:
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    Settings: Quick combat/movement (turn it back on if you would like)
    Everything else is set to default.
    Game Version - 1.0.3.276
    Downloadable Content: – G&K, BNW, Conquest of the New World Deluxe, Genghis Khan's Mongolia, Harold Bluetooth's Denmark, Isabella’s Spain and Pachacuti's Incan Empire, Kamehameha's Polynesian Empire, Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon, Sejong The Great's Korea, Wonders of the Ancient World. The map packs are intentionally excluded.

    Schedule
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    Game #01 20/06/14 The Zulu Pangaea
    Game #02 04/07/14 America Continents
    Game #03 18/07/14 Persia Continents
    Game #04 01/08/14 Sweden Pangaea
    Game #05 15/08/14 The Inca Pangaea
    Game #06 29/08/14 Byzantium Continents
    Game #07 12/09/14 Ethiopia Pangaea
    Game #08 26/09/14 Mongolia Pangaea
    Game #09 10/10/14 Rome Small Continents
    Game #10 24/10/14 Polynesia Terra
    Game #11 07/11/14 Morocco Pangaea
    Game #12 21/11/14 The Maya Continents
    Game #13 05/12/14 Indonesia Continents
    Game #14 19/12/14 (Xmas Special) The Netherlands Small Continents
    Game #15 19/12/14 (Xmas Special) Poland Pangaea
    Game #16 02/01/15 China Pangaea
    Game #17 16/01/15 Germany Pangaea
    Game #18 23/01/15 OCC Babylon Continents
    Game #19 02/02/15 Aztecs Pangea
    Game #20 12/02/15 Spain Terra
    Game #21 20/02/15 India Continents
    Game #22 28/02/15 Brazil Pangea
    Game #23 10/03/15 Huns Continents
    Game #24 20/03/15 Arabia Pangea
    Game #25 30/03/15 (April Fool's) Venice Pangea
    Game #26 10/04/15 Celts Continents
    Game #27 20/04/15 Danemark Pangea
    Game #28 30/04/15 Russia Oval
    Game #29 10/05/15 Carthage Small Continents
    Game #30 20/05/15 Iroquois Pangea
    Game #31 31/05/15 Ottomans Continents
    Game #32 10/06/15 England Continents
    Game #33 20/06/15 Songhai Pangea
    Game #34 30/06/15 Egypt Europe


    I hope you all enjoy the map!

    If you want to share a map please send me a private message.

    Please note that maps you wish to share MUST have map packs disabled, so those who do not have them can enjoy the challenge. To do this, you MUST go into the DLC option from the Main Menu and untick the options ‘Scrambled Nations’, ‘Explorers Map Pack’ and ‘Scrambled Continents’. You will need to do this EVERY TIME you start a new game, or just simply delete the map packs. I suggest you disable these map DLCs on steam directly. Steam will uninstall them, just reactivate them when you need them. Thanks.
     

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  2. budweiser

    budweiser King of the Beers

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    Thanks for posting.
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    How does the map size compare to a standard size map?
     
  3. beetle

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    What do folks think -- SIP or the hill on T1? I think I will do the hill just to pick up the sheep. Warrior will move SE first (to the next hill), but I don't see that changing things.
     
  4. noonex

    noonex Chieftain

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    lol faith ruin may help a bit :)
     
  5. z284pwr

    z284pwr Prince

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    Move settler onto the spices and warrior across the river. Then move warrior onto the hill with the marble and decide from there. Then you have a better look north and south. With all the flood plains around food is plentiful, just have to determine if the hill start is worth losing at least one hill north.

    A worthy Petra gamble this one is.
     
  6. consentient

    consentient Domination!

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    I think I'm gonna go looking for decent production. I feel like a SV shot for a change, so would like a decent spot. Start looks really hammer-light. Will move Settler for a while, KB27787 style.
     
  7. BBMorti

    BBMorti Warlord

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    Two barbarian horsemen spawned out of the blue, has this map been tampered with? This happened well after I cleared any camps in range of my cap, and there was no possible location they could have ran from fog of war into the positions they suddenly appeared, with 5 movement.
     
  8. cazaderonus

    cazaderonus Actual Dad.

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    That starting location screams DF + Petra. But i'm wondering if settling on the hill north of the river wouldnt be better for a heavier production early and less non irrigable (does that term exis?) desert.

    But definitely, with egypts UU, i guess it s fair to bet on petra rush + oracle + not so late NC. And the +2 happiness from UB makes a case for liberty. Maybe a good opportunity for me to try abd grab a CulV.

    What would you guys think of a liberty play using the finisher to grab a GE and then rush printed press to insta grab LToP and if lucky use LToP for a 2nd GE for SS ? Could combine that with a reformation piety next for JE or Sacred Site if lucky ?Grabbing ratio opener and secularism before investing massively into aesthetics
     
  9. Acken

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    Nope.
     
  10. consentient

    consentient Domination!

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    This is the first time Raging Barbs has hurt me more than the AI, because of
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    the isolated start position. There was a period of 10 turns delayed growth and little production for the expos, so this won't be the fastest finish time, but it does look like the safest start position on the DCL so far (perhaps with the exception of #25 ;) )
     
  11. stormtrooper412

    stormtrooper412 Peacemongering Turtlesaur

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    Looks like one would need to move north a bit and settle on that hilly area
     
  12. rtfischbeck

    rtfischbeck Chieftain

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    Settled 1N 3E. Hit a culture Ruin on T4. Currently tanking over Liberty or Tradition.

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    Met Byzantium, on T3 so they're close. Not sure where yet but given that I have a faith NW accessible to the capitol I'm also deciding whether I should shrine after scout 2. Probably will though fighting a close Byzantium over religion is rough. Might just chariot rush her to make thing simpler, though this looks like a good peaceful map.
     
  13. rtfischbeck

    rtfischbeck Chieftain

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    Side note: @Stormtrooper very impressive updating of the spreadsheet. Posted VC #5 yesterday and already updated. That's dedication!
     
  14. consentient

    consentient Domination!

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    T110ish update

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    Settled T7 having picked up Culture, 95 gold and shown a barb camp

    Warrior move SE found hills, which I investigated for production, then Sinai, then capital spot. Great scouting, and worth the lost turns.

    First citizen worked Sinai and got DF in 2 turns, so growth began T10 but religion was guaranteed.

    Decided to go Monument-Worker. Maybe a mistake as I'd forgotten about those barbs. Was really up against it with them until Archery.

    T26 picked up 60 faith from a ruin. No other AIs in Africa, it seems.

    Will try a religion-based science or culture game, since I won’t be spammed so badly, and this map is not the right shape for my military tastes.

    - - -

    Ran into happiness and barb problems, but still had NC by T8x and after building 3 more settlers and rush-buying some lighthouses, Education around T107?

    Happiness problems persist. I have no excuse, with Burial Tombs and even something I’ve not taken before, the +2 happy from Temples. Maybe its just that I’m growing too fast?

    Ah yes, about that…so, I hope I'm not the only one this happens to (wouldn't wanna be accused of too much good luck ;) ) - no one except Purple Dandy had desert and he was busy building Colossus so I was able to get Petra!!!, and no AI went Tradition so I have HG too.

    If I can stay happy, I will do quite well out of this 6 city Tradition empire. But none of the Happiness CS are friendly :(


    T119 Update

    Just got a message that
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    Casimir
    stole Philosophy!!! Are you kidding me? Acken, I'll do anything I can to help you with that mod. When you had a wobbly start and you still pull ahead in the early Renaissance, you definitely want the game to be harder.
     
  15. stormtrooper412

    stormtrooper412 Peacemongering Turtlesaur

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    A Deity AI once stole Calender from me :lol:
     
  16. stormtrooper412

    stormtrooper412 Peacemongering Turtlesaur

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    Turn 52 Restart:

    JESUS CHRIST BARBARIANS

    update: got mauled 2 more times, so I guess I need to build an army before expanding, which would probably result in expos not sooner than T60...
     
  17. beetle

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    Lost T320, runaway launched on same turn he had CV. My last part was 5 turns out.

    Everyone went order, so I did too. I tried Autocracy and had time to Prora, but that just put me further behind.

    I went 8 city Liberty, but everything was slow. I did get to hard build Petra, but missed Pyramids by a wide margin (T49). I used Liberty GE for NC. That saved more than a dozen turns, but in hindsight, I should have used it for Petra. Pretty big mistake later was opening piety and then one pick in Aesthetics. I never got a tier 3 Order pick. Next time I skip piety.

    Going in, I had hoped to take out one cap with the War Chariots, but terrain was poor.

    Cap build order was: scout, scout, shrine, monument, archer, scout, Pyramids

    Warrior to hill was a good choice.
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    So many ruins! Upgrade then culture for fast start. Open Liberty T6.
    T31 take Unescorted Byzantium settler w/ scout.
    T38 DF.
    T51 Byzantium tries to walk an escorted settler into my subcontinent. Thanks!
    T71 Take another worker from Byzantium, then make peace, mostly so I can settle on coast. So many Dromons! Barbs are starting to be a problem. I had two workers trapped across the channel. They end up exploring until I get open borders.
    T121 I watch Byzantium settler stumble into barb camp. I could have prevented it so easily!
    T135 Byzantium wanders another unescored settler into my territory. I steer it into another barb camp. This will be my 9th worker, hard building none.
     
  18. Acken

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    Well so far it's in its infancy. The AI seems to perform better with some balance adjustments and the removal of the tech penalty. Seeing Attila do some early conquests and still manage to reach artillery on turn 200, bombers and battleships at turn 230 makes me happy. I'd even bet many players would have trouble against how the AI can currently snowball. Being used to expansionists being left in the dust because of the penalty.
    Especially since with the current implemented nerf to NC and Rationalism it's probably a bit hard to reach it much faster for a player.

    Don't want to really derail the thread though. When v0.01 will be ready I'll make a thread in the customization forum and who knows maybe propose a map there to see people results :) It will still be very crude and experimental though but people wanting something that isn't an overhaul, with a minimalistic approach should find it attractive. Think of it as the NQMod but with a SP focus.
     
  19. Shark Diver

    Shark Diver King

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    Looks like another fun map, but I'm falling behind by the rapid rate of challenges. Yeah, that's due to my sporadic schedule, but I'm going to fall off the first page.....
     
  20. cazaderonus

    cazaderonus Actual Dad.

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    Welll well. Started this game but wasnt aware of the raging barb setting nor the fact it was a Europe type map. So original BO and scounting wasnt quite alright for this and i'm up for a restart after something like 30 turns or so. Damn those raging barbs are a pain. One camp was spawning 1 unit per turn, even witnessed 2 units spawning at the same time on 1 barb camp when i settled 2 tiles away from it and had cleared all units aside one that was out of the camps. Next turn and BOOM, one archer in the camp, the already out unit, and one more warrior.

    So i'm thinking

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    I'll go with honor opener and farm barbs for culture, i think it's usually worth it when facing raging barbs. In the long run i'm pretty sure it's not optimal culture wise but considering that the african part of the europe map is gonna be pretty lonely, i should be able to get a solid early culture income by farming isolated barb camps which may very well compensate for the late culture loss by allowing a pretty quick early culture growth (faster free colonist ?) and i assume a lot of digging sites. I think it's safe to bet you can farm at least 50 barb units in this spot. Main issue i see coming is happiness as i dont think i'll have the top beliefs for religion. Still planning on trying to use liberty finisher to grab LToP after rushing for Petra, even going printing press before EDU if that doesnt take ages.
     

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