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The Democratic Caliphate.

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Stories & Tales' started by Sanguivorant, Mar 23, 2014.

  1. Sanguivorant

    Sanguivorant Submitter

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    READ THIS POST BEFORE YOU GO ANY FURTHER
    http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=13632356&postcount=733




    Narrative:
    The First Fitna was the greatest trial among the Muslims, with Muawiyah ibn Abi Sufyan threatening the leadership of Ali Ibn Abi Talib because the latter did not ensure justice for the murdered Caliph, Uthman ibn Affan.

    In a surprising turn of history, the two people agreed to meet each other on the Battle of Siffin, where instead of fighting with each other, they opted for reconciliation, preferring it over shedding the blood of Muslim brothers.

    This gave Ali a better chance to solve the Khawarij problem. While the Khawarij were convinced not to try to assassinate Ali, they did have an excellent proposal: They insisted that any Muslim could be the leader of the Muslim community.

    Before Ali died, he reorganized the political structure of the Muslim Community so that each city had an elected leader, and these leaders congregate in Mecca every year. These leaders are responsible for discussing issues within the community and electing a new Caliph every now and then.
    "For it is the will of God to rule by consultation." -Random Muslim dude.

    Chapters:
    Rule of Boutros
    The Duarchy: Balashi and Alemayehu
    Trade Relations and an Unfortunate Death
    Alemayehu's Vengeance
    Era of History
    Resignation
    The M1 Abram of Allah
    Armament
    Colonization and Jihad
    Horde of the Rashideen
    Smuggling Supplies into Zanzibar
    War Against Ethiopia
    The Reign of Balayzi: Part 1
    The Reign of Balayzi: Part 2
    Council of 1006 A.D Part 1
    Council of 1006 A.D Part 2
    Seljuk Invasion, 1069 AD
    Defence of al-Anadol
    Battle of Manzikert, Different Victors
    Post-War Developments
    Chinese Expansion into Persia
    The Ummah: A Viking Perspective
    Pax Islamica, Part 1
    Pax Islamica, Part 2
    Al-Ummah, Bedoun al-Khalifa (The Ummah without the Caliph) Part 1
    Asr al-Istikshaf: Al-Ajtaqa wal-May (Epoch of Exploration: The Aztecs and Mayans)
    Leaving the Old World
    The Sacrifice of Missionaries
    The Locals of Yu'Qataan: Chapter 1
    The Holy Roman Emperor overthrown by the Muslims
    The Locals of Yu'Qataan: Chapter 2
    Invasion of the Andes
    At-Ta'un al-Aswad
    Moorish Invasions, Mongolian Conquests
    Espionage in Habasha and Trade Deals
    Domestic News
    Collapse of the Ethiopians
    Just so there isn't confusion, take a look at this spoiler:

    Spoiler :
    The Game:
    So this is a story I will make using RFC DoC. I will play as the Arabs on Marathon speed, starting in 3000 BC just to make some variety.

    The only difference is that you, the audience, will be able to directly affect the decisions I make in my story (Inspired by Royal Tenenbaum). How will you do that, you may ask?

    You guys are the Muslim Council, a group of elected representatives from each municipality who will vote (On this forum) for a new leader every term.

    Leaders:
    In the very beginning of the game, there will be a Muslim Council that votes for a leader.

    I will always try to have three leaders for you guys to choose from, each with a different plan, focus and method of improving the Empire. I will give each leader a mini biography, and what they want to focus on (Whether it's economy, military, etc.). If an event occurs that affects the empire greatly, I might even include some radical candidates who want to mess around with the civics system.

    Elected leaders have a lifetime term, which in our game can be anywhere between 5-20 turns, and I will find out how long they will be alive for using a randomizer.

    When leaders start production of something in a city, it is a project. That means that if the leader's term ends while the production is not complete, the new leader has to wait until that thing is done before they can build something new in the city.

    When the leader dies, I will narrate a story of their term, and set up a new Council with new leaders. This will continue for as long as the game lasts, or as long as I am entertained.

    I will give 24 hours for everyone to cast their vote, and the leader people choose is the method of style I will be playing for that term.






    Here is our current situation: The Rashidun Caliphate has expanded to engulf the Levant, Egypt and Mesopotamia. Bordering us are two neutral nations, Byzantium and Ethiopea. The Byzantine-Sassanid Wars resulted in a huge Byzantine empire that has engulfed Persia and restricted all forms of peaceful outward expansion.

    Muslim Council, who will you elect to lead the Muslims for the next nine turns?

    Here are your options:

    Abdul-Rahman, Menes:
    An Egyptian convert to Islam, his hometown of Abu Simbel was raided constantly by Abyssinian warlords in the south. He has lost his mother in one of those raids.

    Plans:
    -Strengthen the defences of the nation, by constructing walls and training archers.
    -Declare war on Ethiopia to ensure North Africa is safe.
    -Develop superior weaponry (Engineering).

    Method of Rule:
    -Willing to use slavery to accomplish his tasks.
    -Concerned only with fortifying Egypt, while allows outside cities more flexibility. (Meaning I can control them my-self)

    Abdul-Farouq, Boutros:
    A Syrian convert to Islam, he is a wealthy man who made his riches by trade. He travelled around Byzantium, and is very aware of their culture.

    Plans:
    -Develop trade relations with Byzantium, to access their trade routes.
    -Build marketplaces and wealth, while reducing deficit spending.
    -Attain knowledge of sailing technology, to find new trading partners and to protect our seas.

    Method of Rule:
    -Willing to use slavery to accomplish his tasks.
    -Not very militaristic; will place troops in defensive positions, and might disband an army if he sees it fit.
    -Wants better trade across the whole empire, and will start projects in various important locations (Count Mecca as one of them.)

    Abdul-Ghafur, Umar:
    A Muslim from Mecca who has seen the Messenger. He is a religious man who wants to improve literacy in the Muslim Community so that everyone can read the Qur'an.

    Plan of Action:
    -Wants to build schools in cities with major populations.
    -Wants to start developing a more efficient material to write books (Paper).

    Method of Rule:
    -Isn't too fond of slavery; will rarely use it.
    -Focused more on domestic than international affairs.

    So there are your three options! I will check to see the winner tomorrow, and then start playing my turns.
     
  2. asewland

    asewland Warlord

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    Abdul-Rahman, Menes
     
  3. Imp. Knoedel

    Imp. Knoedel Simperator Knoedel

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    Abdul-Ghafur, Umar
     
  4. BenZL43

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    Abdul-Farouq, Boutros
     
  5. Sanguivorant

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    Wow, each one has equal votes so far.

    Sorry that they have crappy plans guys. The most obvious plan is to attack Byzantium and build military, but what's the point of redoing what almost everyone else has already done? I want to make a unique story, and that involves coming up with new ways to play the game.

    For those militaristic people out there, don't worry. We will have a warmonger every now and then. If Boutros is not selected or he is unsuccessful, war with Byzantium will be inevitable.

    Could I please have everyone post their votes in bold, please?
     
  6. BenZL43

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    Done. Yeah, that's why I choose Boutros. He looks interesting and I'm bored of Arab-Byzantine Wars. I think Arab-Tamil wars could be more interesting lol.
     
  7. The Diocletian

    The Diocletian Fire Fly

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    Abdul-Farouq, Boutros, but only if we're unable to obtain sailing (and thinking further, calendar) via trading. Is anyone willing to play the trade ballgame with you?

    If no, Abdul-Ghafur, Umar
     
  8. citis

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    Just attack Byzantium. It is too strong and it closes your way to Persia and India. If you don't do that it will be impossible to conquer it later. You can go and conquer Ethiopia before Byzantium, so Menes. He will conquer Ethiopia and discover pikes that counter the byz UU.
     
  9. cudfather

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    Abdul-Farouq, Boutros

    Imagine Byzzies and Arabs living life in peace!
     
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    Abdul-Farouq, Boutros

    Can you change you details with the name of the elected? I mean the name of the leader...
     
  11. FinalLegendZero

    FinalLegendZero Prince

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    Abdul-Farouq, Boutros
     
  12. baseballpie

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    Abdul-Ghafur, Umar
     
  13. mrrandomplayer

    mrrandomplayer Hopeless Situation Warrior

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    Why isn't this on S and T???
     
  14. Tomorrow's Dawn

    Tomorrow's Dawn Heroes Never Die

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    I've abstained from commenting so far on both this and Royal Tenenbaum's IAARs (Interactive After Action Reports for those uninitiated in Civ4S&T)
    but these threads probably ought to be moved to the proper subforum (Civ4S&T). Could we get a moderator, maybe Leoreth to move these?

    On the topic of the game itself, I have no idea how you guys are going to survive both the Seljuks and the Mongols seeing how Menes only has one vote.
    Or rather, he's the closest thing to a candidate who will pledge to spam Camel Archers.
     
  15. Royal Tenenbaum

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    This is still DoC discussion, TD. We don't want no non-DoC members saying what we should do since DoC is so different from other games, as well. In fact, these type of threads help DoC, as it makes you think of a civilization in super-depth from both gameplay, historical, and theoretical perspectives. I'm just about to launch up my reboot of the American voting system again.

    This DoC thread is the only place I look on this website. If this was moved I wouldn't want to look at it. If mine was moved I wouldn't want to update it. Keeping threads that people want to keep in the DoC forum keeps people playing DoC. I don't know why you would want to irritate all of us and move it even though none of us want that, especially since you aren't a participator.

    Abdul-Rahman, Menes
    An unprotected land is a land not worth protecting
     
  16. Tomorrow's Dawn

    Tomorrow's Dawn Heroes Never Die

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    Actually, Civ4S&T is specifically where these type of threads go, as they are IAARs.
    The type of mod used is inconsequential. You realize that stories or IAARs done in HotK, GEM or C2C don't go into the respective subforums of the mod. These shouldn't either.

    Other AARs, IAARs and Feuds from vanilla, BtS, Warlords, as well as all stories done on mods in Civ4 such as, RFC, FFH, and DoC included all go there.
    If you check Civ4S&T now, there are quite a few DoC stories there already,
    further reinforcing my point.

    That doesn't make any sense. You just used WorldBuilder to remove all Old World civs, which fits the theoretical bill, but contradicts the gameplay one.
    There is gameplay depth in the Domination, Strategy Discussion and UHV threads because the
    point of those threads is to share and discuss the methods used to achieve victory without tampering with the scenario to the player's favor.

    If it was moved, you'd just check the My Account tab and directly go into your list of subscribed threads there as well.
    It won't be as if you lost the subscription to the thread if it gets moved.
    Whether I'm perceived as being "irritating" or not is not part of this conversation.
    The point at hand is that this is not the proper subforum for this type of thread.

    This isolationism is honestly bizzare and illogical to me, considering that everyone aside from Leoreth was a "non-DoC" member originally.
    Many people here originally came from other parts of the forum, like Tachywaxon from Strategy & Tips, strijder20 & myself from Stories & Tales, Jusos & blizzrd from vanilla RFC and more.
    If new players from other parts of the forum gain an interest in DoC, that's better for development as a whole because newer members can bring fresh perspectives.
    And I say this with the full knowledge that I would potentially disagree with them on many subjects pertaining to balance, but I welcome it because it keeps development sharp.
    A number of visitors have already come here to DoC specifically because of S&T after having read mrrandomplayer's AARs.
     
  17. Sanguivorant

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    Just to add in to the whole debate, I do not mind where this thread is placed, as long as I get to keep it somewhere.

    As I said again, from a strategic point of view, the three plans suck. I don't want to give a victory story, many people have already done that. By making mistakes, I can also produce more interesting narratives.

    But yeah, Menes is perhaps the best choice for warmongers. Both Ethiopia and Byzantium are Catholic. If I attack one, I will most probably provoke the others. He also is mainly concerned with projects in Egypt, and his policies won't affect other places. That means I can then build Camel Archers in other cities.
     
  18. Tomorrow's Dawn

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    Yeah, I am not advocating for the lock of this thread.
    Only moving it to the appropriate subforum.

    While I'm here, I shall cast my lot for Abdul-Rahman, Menes as well.
     
  19. Sanguivorant

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    For more information about how I make the names, the first name is an "Islamic" name (Usually one of the many versions to say, "Servant of God), and the last name is a stereotypical name of a person from the country of origin.

    As the Empire expands, it will include more people from different areas. There will be a 1/50 chance that an ethnic group that I fought with in a term will spawn an electable leader in the next term.

    For example, if I fight with the Ethiopians, there is a 2% chance that the next list of choosable leaders will have a person of Ethiopian origin.

    I'll probably include women as electable leaders as well, since they are Muslims as well. Maybe only when the political stability is at a certain point (Maybe +10)

    I will actually look over the ratio of ethnic groups in my empire and that will help me find out the ethnicity of the leaders. Who doesn't like diversity?
     
  20. BenZL43

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    In my opinion, we should have a sub-subforum DoC S&T to post and store every stories, scenarios, challenges, etc that's DoC-related. Civ4 S&T is too general, and like Royals, this is most often the only subforum in this website that I read.
     

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