Lexicus
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So this is pretty bad.
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/hi...-with-painful-joke-about-colored-people-time/
https://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/hi...-with-painful-joke-about-colored-people-time/
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No its not.
Assuming the story is true, its another example of a "race card" attack, and as I have outlined many times, these types of attacks don't work, for the same reason that the "race card" is a myth. You can't defeat someone by pointing at some comment they made and gasping "OMG that was racially insensitive!"
What was the harm caused by their racist,etc, conduct? If there isn't any harm then the attack on them wont stick.
As far as accents are concerned, context switching is a phenomenon that exists. So it's possible that Sanders would drop his New York accent when in Vermont but pick it up again when showing up in national media.
That looks like de Blasio's gaffe, and Clinton seemed appropriately put off by this.
Lexicus
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Why then would she immediately say "cautious politician time"? Seems like she was in on the joke, not put off by it.
This seems like a pretty good explanation. Being a New Yorker is part of his national brand, and NY has a lot more delegates to win than VT. Plus VT is not competitive. So it makes perfect sense that he would play up his NYC roots.
I can definitely think of examples of Prez Obama taking on a little bit of a Southern accent at times, and even full-on mimicking MLK, depending on the context.
Yeah, de Blasio is the one who said it, not Hillary, she's just standing next to him. What's going on seems kind of like if the headline was "Mike Meyers and Kanye West Slam Pres Bush - Claim he doesn't care about black people" Sure Meyers didn't snatch the mic away and say "Dude that was inappropes! Not Cool!"... but I mean, c'mon...
However, Hillary's attempt to pretend that she didn't know what it meant doesn't seem credible. I give her credit for thinking on her feet but I've never heard of "Cautious Politician time"... nice try.
It can be involuntary; I grew up in England but currently live in Brazil, and whenever I'm speaking English to someone from England, I'll speak with my native cockney accent, but whenever I'm speaking English to someone from Brazil, I'll speak with a slower, more neutral accent, and I find it difficult to switch between them
Timsup2nothin
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I still don't think it's a conscious thing. He probably associates Vermont with provincialism and New York with cosmopolitanism and the better way to present yourself on a national stage.
I actually had to think of Kevin Spacey adopting his heavy Southern drawl when Underwood is in his home state ...
But yeah, Obama does it too (remember his sermon at the funeral of the black minister who was shot?). And I don't think Hillary going all "all y'all" is really objectionable because she is adopting an accent that is clearly not her native one. I think it mostly sticks out because it projects a close buddy-up woman of the people persona that is so clearly not who she is. Sanders is both the Brooklyn Jew and the New England liberal so it's not as egregious in my view.
I read it as her covering for de Blasio and bridging the awkward situation by making a self-deprecating joke. Which is basically the best possible way to salvage what happened. Even if you think what he said was offensive you can't just chastise your colleague for being racist on stage after he's just endorsed you.
*heart eyes*
That does dance a little on the line of being condescending towards his rural/small town constituents though... Almost like saying they aren't "good enough" for him to bring home to mom, or that he's ashamed of them somewhat.
Love that guy. Love that show.
Yeah I got that sense too, that she was doing a little bit of deflection/diffusion. It's not quite "Oh David Duke? I don't even know who that is or what you're talking about"... but as I said before, just like the Duke thing... its one of these false-righteous indignation "race card" type attacks that is just not going to stick.
If you associate province with bad and cosmopolitanism with good. Not a point to belabor unless you want to summon Farmboy
It's like you read my mindIf you associate province with bad and cosmopolitanism with good. Not a point to belabor unless you want to summon Farmboy
... But in all seriousness, you said:
If Bernie indeed thinks this way, there doesn't see to be much wiggle room here around seeing this as viewing NY cosmopolitanism as superior. It's the kind of thing that is so imbedded in some aspects of our culture, that we can literally say it ... "Bernie just uses city talk when he is in front of everybody because he knows city talk is better than country talk, more sophisticated and educated sounding, you know... obviously"...and simultaneously think "Isn't it obvious? It goes without saying doesn't it? Who could possibly be offended by that?"
I'm belaboring the point a bit, but I think you get what I'm saying... And I will readily give Farm Boy a hefty share of credit for helping me consider things more from this perspective (as it relates to the country/city thing).
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Hillary remembered that she, too, can use factual statements in a slightly misleading way to make her opponent look bad.
Link to video.
I especially like the crowd reaction. It's like, "Holy s$%? is that true???" They've finally started teeing off on Bernie's weaknesses, where they never really bothered to before. This is where home court advantage really makes a difference. You don't have to read briefings and hold staff meetings to decide which issues are most important to the voters you're talking to. Having run 2 statewide campaigns means you've already vetted your talking points and you know the local issues and what matters most to people. I can guarantee you as a big ol' cosmopolitan Northeast liberal, that this matters a lot more to people than fracking.
Link to video.
I especially like the crowd reaction. It's like, "Holy s$%? is that true???" They've finally started teeing off on Bernie's weaknesses, where they never really bothered to before. This is where home court advantage really makes a difference. You don't have to read briefings and hold staff meetings to decide which issues are most important to the voters you're talking to. Having run 2 statewide campaigns means you've already vetted your talking points and you know the local issues and what matters most to people. I can guarantee you as a big ol' cosmopolitan Northeast liberal, that this matters a lot more to people than fracking.
Fracking is a losing issue. The people who it affects work in the industry, or have family/friends who do, or tertiary industries, or have those folks as customers/clients. So their feelings on the industry are going to be a mixed bag at best. On the other hand the groups of people who are the most reliably and passionately anti-fracking, are people who are pretty removed from the direct effects... so as strongly as they may feel about it, its not a priority for them, its more like a hobby, or pet peeve.
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In 5 or 10 or 20 years, if the scare stories about widespread water pollution come true, it will be a different story. But people who benefit economically from fracking aren't idiots - they know there are some environmental risks involved, but a good paying job matters a heck of a lot more than some downstream water pollution.
Moreover, NY already banned fracking. The ban has likely depressed job prospects for thousands of people; the Marcellus Wallace Shale formation covers nearly half the state. It makes little sense to campaign on an issue that is moot, where the only possible voter response will be a negative one from the people who would have otherwise benefitted from fracking.
In 5 or 10 or 20 years, if the scare stories about widespread water pollution come true, it will be a different story. But people who benefit economically from fracking aren't idiots - they know there are some environmental risks involved, but a good paying job matters a heck of a lot more than some downstream water pollution.
Moreover, NY already banned fracking. The ban has likely depressed job prospects for thousands of people; the Marcellus Wallace Shale formation covers nearly half the state. It makes little sense to campaign on an issue that is moot, where the only possible voter response will be a negative one from the people who would have otherwise benefitted from fracking.
^ Right, and the ongoing challenge that Bernie has is figuring out ways to distinguish himself from Hillary. As has been pointed out repeatedly, they aren't really that far apart. So he has to keep going to the same, limited wells over and over... and he essentially got one of them poisoned by that NY Daily News interview, so now the "She loves the big banks and I want to break them up!" well is basically unusable, because it just reminds everyone how shallow the well was.
So I think the fracking thing is an attempt to find some point of contention that he can distinguish himself and hammer her on... and the fact that he is so "off-topic" for NY voters is just more evidence of how limited his options are.
So I think the fracking thing is an attempt to find some point of contention that he can distinguish himself and hammer her on... and the fact that he is so "off-topic" for NY voters is just more evidence of how limited his options are.
onejayhawk
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Actually, it might bite, just in unexpected ways. The amount of fracking is down significantly which is allowing OPEC to jack their prices up. Higher pricing will hit the gas pump before the election.
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