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The End of the World As We Know It!

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Demo Game IV: Citizens' started by Cyc, Sep 11, 2008.

  1. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Yes, the Cycles of Arete are slowly winding down....

    Well, not that slowly! Things are about to change. Our entire government structure may be completely different by next week. Are you prepared? Are all your questions answered? Can you accept what we've chosen to do? Make sure your concerns are addressed. Please post below.
     
  2. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    The first 20 (or so) posts in this poll thread have some good questions and answers. What are your thoughts?
     
  3. thecommonnate

    thecommonnate Theocrat

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    Pasted from the High Steward Thread:

    New Arkadia: We whip the Knights coming out of Santiago as the first action in the next TC, then move the Knights of Santiago to Seville and give him sentry orders. Also, we move the trebucets in Barcelona to the safest strike zone within Seville county. The caravel and the frigate in the Wester waters (Cordoba and Seville) should be promoted to first strike and strike at the Armada in hope of causing them to land on the Cordobian Peninsula rather then Seville county.

    After this, Nationhood is adopted. Please, I propose that Nationhood is the only civic adopted here, if the Armada defeats both ships either while attacking or defending, they can skip straight to Seville and attack while we are in dismay. If Nationhood is the only civic adopted, we could draft right after the troops are landed, no matter what.

    This plan is supported by past High Marshall Provolution, and needs only for the people of Arete to discuss. It would involve holding off PF elections until another 5 turns, though, I hope we can get past this.

    Now on to builds.

    Assuming that we do go into revolution on the first turn, all production will be halted for that time. Therefore for the first turn production queues don;t need to be interrupted.

    Arete: I say we pump out the Ironclads like there's no tomorrow here. A best offense is a good defense, and for something like the Mayan Armada, it would be best to make sure that it could never happen again. Unhappiness caused by War Weariness will affect Arete in 4 turns, so I propose we turn on Avoid Growth, but only till the end of the Babylonian War.
    Arkadia: Keep as is.
    Seville: Keep Galleon Production, but draft As Soon As Possible. Assuming we switch to Nationhood on the first turn (or that we switch at all) the best case scenario is a draft on the 2nd Turn in the TC. The end product of this city with a draft is not going to be beautiful, may I remind you, but its better then not having Seville at all.
    Venice: Whip the bank, let grow 1pop after that, then turn on avoid growth. Begin Ironclad production afterward.
    Barcelona: Finish the Grocer, start Riflemen. If starvation isn't cured from the Grocer, and I think after that we can afford to let grow.
    Madrid: Let grow, then produce Riflemen.
    Warfire: Leave as is, if asked for directions I propose a market.
    Santiago: Whip the Knights to begin with, move Knights of Santiago to Seville.
    Seidrik: Leave as is, produce more galleons.
    Cordoba: Leave for three turns. (You will be given directions) After, produce Ironclads.
    Babylon: Leave as is, if given directions, choose Ironclad.
    Blastoid: Whip courthouse, leave as is. Start a Grocer after Courthouse.
    Vandal Valley: Leave as is, after theater, start granary.

    As a general note for governed cities (not sure if they are even technically governed anymore), I would keep the production military if it is a War-Production Capable. And Kassite is in starvation.


    I would also like to ask the CoA to end the TC if the Mayan Armada is wiped out before the end of the TC.

    Response from Provo, agreed upon by myself, him and Lord Civius from his military strategy post:


    Promote and Upgrade Caravel, making it a frigate, is essential.
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    As for the war strategy, Lord Civius had a fully plan strategy but I can't seem to find it... I hope I didn't just imagine it...:confused:


    I would like to start a motion to adopt nationhood only on the next TC, all who agree, say I, all who oppose, speak now or forever hold your peace. (not really, this is only backed by me.)
     
  4. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Here's a early post by Lord Civius on the War:

    Here is the overall strategy of General Civius.

    Likely stack- 12 units
    Trebs, Knights, Maces and crossbows.

    Turn 1
    Adopt Nationhood immediately.

    Deploy Seville Caravel to the coastal tile 1NW of Seville and promote, then upgrade to frigate.
    Deploy Cordoba Frigate 1S of Cordoba and promote.
    This will force the AI to either attack Cordoba or Seville with an amphibious assault (highly unlikely) or land 2 tiles from either city. Lastly they could force their way through our blockade but the AI tend to follow the path of least resistance. As with any warplan there are alot of variables.

    Upgrade Cordoba Treb to Cannon and HorseArcher to Knight.

    Deploy Knights of Santiago to Seville.

    Deploy the 2 Barcelona Trebs to 1E of Madrid to get closer to the Mayan stacks landing range.

    Upgrade Santiago Longbow to Rifleman and redeploy 1NW of Santiago.

    Upgrade Madrid Axe to Rifleman

    Begin deployments of units that are stationary to join both war fronts. I will be leaving a formidable force for overall defense.

    Turn 2
    Will rely mainly on what the AI does but either city that is threatened will begin drafting along with its reinforcement city (Madrid for Cordoba and Santiago for Seville, both are 3 tiles away). Also I will whip a rifleman from the city that is in Justinians scopes. The Knight of the city not threatened by the landing will redeploy to the one that is, as with Cordobas cannon will head towards Seville if it is the target. Again there are many variables and I will need to adapt.

    If Justinian chooses the unlikely siege from the Sea then we may lose one of our cites, however adeqaute forces will be in the region to take back the city within a few turns. If he razes it there will be hell to pay.

    After this the variables are too great and real time analysis is a must. Stack details will dictate what needs to be done. The city by now will be well defended after another round of 2 Rifleman from draft and draft reinforcement. The reinforcement Trebs from Barcelona will help with any strategy and may be able to be upgraded to cannons if Justinian takes the bait.

    I would also look to get some Ironclads out ASAP. The invasion can and will be stopped.
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    I have weighed the option of whipping and not adopting Nationhood. In the end Nationhood serves us better. One rifleman in either city will not, IMO, be enough to stop the Amphibious assault. By blocking the Mayans from a direct route to a tile 1 away from either city it will give us an extra turn to draft and whip if necessary. I think it is a better strategy than strictly whipping. I am putting myself out on political limb with this warplan because I believe it is our best chance at stopping Justinian cold.
     
  5. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Ok, I see this thread is moving along nicely...

    After the first 18 hours or so, only thecommonnate has replied. Looks like we get a signed blank check! Right on, people. Trust us. We'll take care of you.

    Thanks!
     
  6. Lord Civius

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    The plan is still technically the same. I laid out the basics with maps in a new thread called War Room. So let's get the other issues taken care of so we can get the game moving again. National Epic and Ironworks are available and Maoi Statues are being done in Cordoba. NG currently has the highest GPP rate at 18 per turn. However it is 100% Great Prophet and Madrid already has the Vashi Kishwanath (sp). So unless we plan to reassign specialists in NG it would be better elsewhere. I recommend Barcelona (10 GPP/turn, 97% GM). Edorai is the ideal spot for Ironworks, but it will be its last National Wonder and can't get West Point later, I still think it's the best option. These would both have to wait til after the war for production so there is still time for discussions.

    I must either play the TC today or put it off until sunday night. I would prefer doing it today.
     
  7. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Fine. Let's get it done today, then.

    As King, I appoint Lord Civius Supreme Commander of the Military, and official Designated Player for this TC.

    This TC will be online and the King would like to attend this one. Please post a TC Instruction thread, Lord Civius. Also please take into consideration thecommonnate's post and use your best judgement. If you need to extend this TC beyond the normal 10 turns, that is authorized.
     
  8. Lord Civius

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    As I stated in the TC thread I'd like to do it 7 and 7 if it's OK with you. This will give time for the debates to start. Then the election can begin following the 2nd half, say monday?. BTW I am firing up the save now and going online. I'll use this time to do all of the micromanaging and troop deployments. The revolution to Nationalsm and the end of the first turn mill begin in one hour.
     
  9. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    We need West Point and Moai Statues for Cordoba, to get a boosted navy.
     
  10. thecommonnate

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    If the TC hasn't started already, I'd like to say we should put the national epic in Barcelona, or at least a city with a different GPP rating per turn then priests.
     
  11. Cyc

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    I don't think we should be build anything in NG! Lazy bastids won't evevn work the fields or the mines. They don't deserve a national epic.

    TCN I believe the second seven turns will be tomorrow.
     
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    Thank you Cyc, I'll look at this and make some reviews here, but for the most part, Lord Civius did an excellent job.
     
  14. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Oh, I agree, thecommonnate. I attended the TC and was very pleased with the way LC dealt with the three Mayan Armadas.
     

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