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There are other more positive examples as well. The Lithuanian and the Maltese Commissioner come to mind for example.
The standards were made to let Poland pass. There would be no enlargement without Poland. And when comparing to countries like Italy, we were not that bad...And imo the EU made a grave mistake back in the 90ies by not formulating much sharper the minimum level of compliance to basic rights and standards to the East-European candidate countries.
In my industrial thinking, just as with a Quality Assurance System, we should have specced out better and have a regular audit system in place. Not until membership, but on a continuous base (for all members) to secure basic certainties for EU citizens and institutions. (NOT some fluffy EU constitution with all kinds of politics around it, but just down to earth specs. And... no certainty without control... without audits).
But considering that for this new 5-year term nothing much is going to happen regarding enlargement... well... it is an empty function in this case.
What does it say about the future of the European project that the European Parliament has passed a resolution declaring that Communism and Nazism share equal blame for World War II?
I had some troubles googling what you are talking about.
It can very well be that 10 years from now this can be seen as a move in the wrong direction and a small step in a larger chain reaction. But please excuse me if I don't care until then, the public certainly doesn't seem to.
Yeah, I can't find anything about it either...I had some troubles googling what you are talking about.
For what it's worth: As long as it say 'Nazism' instead of 'Fascism', it should probably have said 'Stalinism' instead of 'Communism'.What does it say about the future of the European project that the European Parliament has passed a resolution declaring that Communism and Nazism share equal blame for World War II?
Stresses that the Second World War, the most devastating war in Europe’s history, was started as an immediate result of the notorious Nazi-Soviet Treaty on Non-Aggression of 23 August 1939, also known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and its secret protocols, whereby two totalitarian regimes that shared the goal of world conquest divided Europe into two zones of influence;
No, it isn't. It's perfectly possible to condemn two horrible states and their ideologies at the same time.It is a clear sign that Respectable Opinion in Europe is once again moving toward the acceptability of fascism as a bulwark against Communism.
Personally I have absolutely no doubt that Stalin was preparing a major westward offensive before Hitler launched his attack first. While Nazis were worse, the Communists under Stalin were also terrible, and both sides have millions of innocent lives on their hands.
Hitler was first, but within a year or so Stalin would also have been ready. Which is why he built airfields much closer to the border than what would have been prudent for defense (but great for an offensive). He had been banking on the Germans being bogged down in France much longer than what actually happened.Perhaps long term, but in the short term he was supplying Germany with valuable raw materials and ignoring intelligence reports of imminent German attack. Stalin wasn't ready for war in 1940 and was doing his best to avoid it, which contributed to the disasterous losses the Russians suffered early on.
Actually, after having read the whole thing, I now know why none of the rest of us knew about this:
Yeah, I can't find anything about it either...
Thanks for the link, @Lexicus.
For what it's worth: As long as it say 'Nazism' instead of 'Fascism', it should probably have said 'Stalinism' instead of 'Communism'.
As for the future of the EU, it's rather insignificant.
However, it probably shows that half of the EU suffered under Soviet occupation for half a century, and that Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, and Finland haven't forgotten that the Soviets invaded them either before or together with the Nazis. Couple that with some old-fashioned fear of the Reds in Western Europe as well, and there's no surprise that when combining 'Communism' and 'WW2' few people have anything good to say about it.
Which we see perfectly well in the resolution:
If we count the start of the Second World War in Europe as the attack on Poland, then its perfectly valid to hold the Soviet Union responsible as well.
Personally I have absolutely no doubt that Stalin was preparing a major westward offensive before Hitler launched his attack first. While Nazis were worse, the Communists under Stalin were also terrible, and both sides have millions of innocent lives on their hands.
No, it isn't. It's perfectly possible to condemn two horrible states and their ideologies at the same time.
It condemns Holocaust denial,
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/RC-9-2019-0097_EN.html
It is a clear sign that Respectable Opinion in Europe is once again moving toward the acceptability of fascism as a bulwark against Communism.
We absolutely haven't lost any immunity against Nazism. We're still fully aware how horrible it is, even though we have neo-Nazis in Europe, just as they exist in other countries, from the US, to Russia, to Israel, to New Zealand.Yeah, no. Bad. Really bad. You're only proving my point when I say that Respectable Opinion in Europe has made clear it has lost the historical immunity to fascism, developed only through immensely painful experience. Perhaps it is wishful thinking to believe that such immunity ever existed.
Of course, putting any specific cause to the Second World War is a rather futile discussion. German revanchism, Nazi ideology and imperialist thought were obviously far more important for the German aggressiveness than a mere treaty, but there's no doubt that the treaty served both totalitarian states and ideologies very well.Like the European Parliament you are regurgitating literal Nazi (and Cold War) propaganda, discredited by modern historians with access to the declassified Soviet archives. Claiming Molotov-Ribbentrop was singularly responsible for the outbreak of World War II is just standard ahistorical garbage. Claiming that Operation Barbarossa was a pre-emptive attack, on the other hand, is much more worrisome. It was a common claim made by the surviving German generals after the war and part of the historiography of the "clean Wehrmacht", and it was taken up by Cold Warriors who wanted to make the Soviet Union look just as bad as the USSR. It was also a common theme of German wartime propaganda when they started losing and went from triumphant Aryan supermen to the selfless defenders of European civilization from the Bolshevik-Asiatic horde.
Aggressive offensive wars as defense?? Attacking and invading Poland and murdering thousands to protect themselves?! What the hell!?You have absolutely no doubt that Stalin was preparing an invasion of Western Europe because you have fallen victim to Nazi propaganda. The fact is that Soviet aggression in Western Europe was strategically defensive in nature and was designed to create security against a rearmed Germany. There is also the fact that Molotov-Ribbentrop only happened because the USSR reached out to Britain and France to form an anti-Nazi alliance and was rebuffed (in fact, there was some domestic pressure in Britain to side with Hitler against the "greater menace" of Stalin) but of course the resolution wouldn't mention that.
What you've written can't be called ironic, unfortunately. Just sad and offensive.ironic considering that the resolution itself in drawing an equivalence between Nazi and Soviet crimes is itself a form of holocaust denial.
No, it isn't. It's perfectly possible to condemn two horrible states and their ideologies at the same time.
Perhaps long term, but in the short term he was supplying Germany with valuable raw materials and ignoring intelligence reports of imminent German attack. Stalin wasn't ready for war in 1940 and was doing his best to avoid it, which contributed to the disasterous losses the Russians suffered early on.
Secondly, I can see how it is possible to read from what I wrote that I'd argued that Operation Barbarossa was a per-emptive strike. That is absolutely not my position: Operation Barbarossa was a planned and aggressive offensive against the Soviet Union, and would have come no matter how the Soviet Union would be acting or planning. Whatever excuses the Nazis gave for their attack is irrelevant to why they actually did attack.
Would Germany have attacked Poland like they did without the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact?
Probably, but maybe later, maybe differently?
Maybe Poland would have stood a better chance for longer?
Maybe the Germans would have had to divert forces to guard in case of a sudden Soviet intervention? Maybe France or the UK would have had time to decide to do something?
The Soviet Union, Stalin, and the Communists who supported him, are not innocent in the attack on Poland, and thus, for the outbreak of the Second World War in Europe (if we count the outbreak as the attack on Poland).
Aggressive offensive wars as defense?? Attacking and invading Poland and murdering thousands to protect themselves?! What the hell!?
What you've written can't be called ironic, unfortunately. Just sad and offensive.
Yeah, first of all, parliamentary resolutions are a tool quite often used. Don't overestimate its effect, whether on public opinion, academic state of art or legal realities.
...and why do you think a lot of Eastern Europe is "rabidly anticommunist"?Oh I'm not worried about its effect. I'm worried about what it reflects. Part of the concern is the extent to which the EU is apparently yielding to the rabidly anticommunist tinpot authoritarians currently governing a lot of eastern Europe...
Oh I'm not worried about its effect. I'm worried about what it reflects. Part of the concern is the extent to which the EU is apparently yielding to the rabidly anticommunist tinpot authoritarians currently governing a lot of eastern Europe...