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The General Police Brutality Thread

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Cheetah, Sep 1, 2015.

  1. Lexicus

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    In DC they have mainly moved to the suburbs, creating new 'black' communities.

    My guess is, people like me (one of the putative 'winners') would be able to figure something out without gentrification. And I can see the 'losers', or at least some of them, in the gutter begging for coins on the way to and from work every day.
     
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    The operators of a drug-treatment recovery center in Missouri have filed a federal lawsuit against a Sheriff's deputy, alleging the officer coerced recovering addicts into becoming informants by threatening to report them for violating their court-mandated treatment program.

    One can only wonder how often law enforcement officers abuse their authority like this. We hear about it once in a while, but of course we'll never know about the incidents that don't result in a lawsuit or an investigation by journalists (such as the reporters who exposed the coverup of the shooting of Laquan McDonald - would we have ever heard about that otherwise?).


    Huffington Post, 22 Aug 16 - A Missouri Cop Allegedly Forced People In Drug Treatment To Work As Informants

     
  3. Timsup2nothin

    Timsup2nothin Another drone in the hive mind

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    The "good" ones daily. Most of them hourly.

    When I had my business I refused to bid on jobs for law enforcement. Any involvement with them just invites getting stuck in a "renegotiation" in their favor.
     
  4. Owen Glyndwr

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    Harry Callahan was a good cop.
     
  5. Lexicus

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    Something something, Eliot Ness, something something
     
  6. EgonSpengler

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    Middletown, OH chief of police Rodney Muterspaw on Twitter, reacting to the shooting of motorist Terence Crutcher in Tulsa, OK:


    Meanwhile, in Boston: Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruling on Commonwealth v. Jimmy Warren, 20 Sept 2016:

    Well, shucks... :eek:
     
  7. EgonSpengler

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    More from the decision on Commonwealth v. Warren:

    Wait, wait, wait. So moving slowly is the wrong thing to do? :undecide:



    And here's the article cited in the SJC ruling, if you're interested.

    bpdnews.com - Boston Police Commissioner Announces Field Interrogation and Observation (FIO) Study Results - October 08, 2014
     
  8. Gary Childress

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    http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/20/us/oklahoma-tulsa-police-shooting/index.html

    I'll wait for the facts to come together before making a final judgment but it doesn't look good for the police on first glance. Apparently PCP was found in the car and the guy was acting very strangely, but still lethal force appears to have been way over the top. :(
     
  9. Lexicus

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    So the latest shooting (I guess I have to specify that I'm talking about the one in El Cajon, CA, since it will likely be superceded by another shooting in a week or two, and then no one will know which incident this post is referring to) once again highlights how dangerous it is to call 911 for a friend or relative who is having a mental-health crisis.

    As I understand the basics of the situation, the man's sister called 911 for help, and the 911 dispatcher sent police, who killed him. I don't think we have a lot of details yet; for instance, I don't know the nature of the man's "episode", but he's been described as running out into traffic.

    I don't know what alternative the woman had, though. I suppose if other able-bodied friends and relatives were available, they could maybe talk to or physically restrain the man. At the same time, a person could lie to the 911 dispatcher about the nature of the emergency, so that only an ambulance is dispatched, but I can imagine paramedics arriving to see an adult man in the grip of autism, psychosis, schizophrenia, or dementia and calling the police for help. Restraining a person who's truly out of control can be difficult if there are 4 or 5 of you.

    Additionally, the police are defending their actions not by claiming that he had a weapon, but by claiming that the man had "assumed a 'shooting stance'." It remains to be seen how far such a claim gets them.
     
  12. Lexicus

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    It better not get them anywhere. The cops who did this need to be institutionalized. Bloodthirsty murdering scum.
     
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    For what it's worth, there are pictures of the guy "drawing down." He has something in his hand pointed at the cops, a classic "two hand grip," feet shoulder width apart, sighting along the top...everyone knows I'm no fan of the cops, but I'd probably have shot this guy too.

    Does offer further proof of my basic premise though...no situation is so bad that calling the cops won't make it worse.

    That said, this is also another demonstration that the incident itself is not really the issue. The cops in El Cajon are bad news. They've been bad news for a long time. When cops set themselves up as the enemy it really doesn't matter whether the incident that tips the scale is absurdly bad or almost reasonable, it tips the scale just the same.
     
  14. EgonSpengler

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    Yes, there are circumstances in which the use of lethal force is necessary, or even just an understandable, if horrible, error. If the El Cajon police, or police generally, behaved in ways that earned them some modicum of trust, I believe people would give them the benefit of the doubt.

    I'm reminded of the tool who killed Tamir Rice in Cleveland. Between the failure of the 911 dispatcher to provide necessary information and the failure of the officer to approach the scene responsibly, shooting a 12-year-old became an act of self-preservation. I don't have it handy, but I'd swear I read recently that some cops aren't taught to use cover when approaching a potentially dangerous situation. Part of me wants to say "That's simply not possible", but another part of me knows better.
     
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    Case in point...

    During the span of the current national uproar over police shootings, the LAPD has had multiple fatal interactions with the populace. They have also had multiple less recent shootings passing through their investigative process. They have also concluded multiple investigations of even less recent shootings, some favorably for the officers involved, some with disciplinary action, and a couple with charges filed against the officers. Life goes on in LA.

    Nobody really likes the LAPD, but since the reforms after Rodney King and Rampart they are generally deemed to be mostly trustworthy. The unfortunate apparent conclusion is that rioting works.
     
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    The El Cahon guy was holding a vape, and from that distance--give me a break. You know that's not a gun from that distance. The PD conveniently released a still photo of only that instant, when video was available.

    As usual, everybody is all supportive of Americans' right to their free speech, to protest, to whine for 1 1/2 weeks. As for their right not to get shot--not so much.
     
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    I once chased a guy off the freeway by holding a Nokia cell phone against the side of my hand with my thumb. Asking people, even cops, to identify the object rather than the stance is a big ask, no matter the distance.
     
  18. EgonSpengler

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    So a couple of Sacramento cops tried to run a guy down with their car. Twice. When that didn't work, they had to get out and shoot him.

    Los Angeles Times
    Washington Post
    Chicago Tribune

     
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    Absolutely disgusting. Undoubtedly our resident police apologists will explain to us how it was justified though.
     
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    And, as in Chicago, the police stayed pretty quiet about the killing until local media caught up with them. The Sacramento Bee in this case.

    The incident occurred July 11, so the police were mum for 2 months but had a press conference an hour after The Bee released its footage.
     
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