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The Great City of Gorina

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game III: Government' started by Cyc, May 14, 2003.

  1. Rik Meleet

    Rik Meleet Top predator Retired Moderator

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    Dear Mayor,

    We are in a precarious situation. Or at least we will be if we will not pay attention. The way our plebs are working will lead to Gorina being size 4 in 4 turns (Don't ask me how the plebs do that ... :blush: ). From our friends in Noshuret I draw the conclusion the next citizens will be unhappy. When we focus on growth and the tile used by the new laborer will be an unworked grassland we'll grow in another 5 turns to size 5; again the new citizen will also be unhappy. Our temple will still not be ready then, it requires 15 turns from today. That would mean disorder. :aargh: It seems new citizens will not like us.

    We have to fight this unhappyness by some more military police, some luxury (I doubt Inadatto will expand and connect the Dyes soon enough :nono: ). We could request a lux increase to counter this or even consider putting clowns in Gorina. I don't like it, I don't like it, I don't like it...

    Alternatively we put our Laborer to work NOT on the grassland, but on the roaded plains we will loose 1 food, thus grow to size 5 in 10 turns, but have our temple created in 4 + 9 (loosing 3 shields) = 13 turns.

    I prefer the MP solution, but I'm only an advisor.

    Thank you for your vino-cask. I will enjoy it. I'm shocked though you'd think of me drinking it in an Bacchus-like way. I'm not a God like Bachhus; I am a Minister of Worker Relations, so I drink it in a modest way and quantity.

    About Gladiatus;
    I asked him if he was known by another name. He said no. I asked him whether he would change his name for your sake. He refused. And frankly I agree with him. He shouldn't be forced to change his name because you don't like it enough. I gave him a house in our new suburb, fully equiped with all necessary commodities and included a personal training-room for his Glad-skills. When he saw it he named it dojo and started training. He is very happy in Gorina and is hoping for an opportunity to be a Presbyterrian guard and can't wait for our Colosseum to be build. I told him carefully that this might take some time. I didn't exactly tell him at least a 1000 years ....

    He promissed me that I could read his diaries and approved of me showing it to you and for publication, but not until he finished it. And since he is so busy doing all his stuff he doesn't get around to writing in it very often. I must ask for your patience.

    I am just stunned at the size of the judicial bench Gladiatus build for Donsig. I can hardly believe he did it by himself if I hadn't seen it build with my own eyes. You can see how it looks below my message.

    Rik Meleet
    Minister of Worker Relations of the great city of Gorina
     
  2. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Whoa! That's a rockin' Judicial Bench! :D It looks like donsig has already beaten the heck out of it with his gavel. :lol: You weren't kidding, were you donsig. Seriously, I'm glad to see our citizens are working well together. This is a good sign of a stable future for our great city.

    But as to your Letter of Advice, Rik Meleet, I finally must disagree with you. If we move the laborer from the unworked grassland to the roaded plain (with river) now, we will not only gain an extra gold coin (1 more than any other tile), but we will grow in 8 turns (stay with me on this). We may or may not lose the next shield to corruption (it's irrelevant either way), but I'm sure you're right about the next citizen being unhappy. If we lose the shield, the Temple will be done in 12 turns. If we don't lose the shield, the temple will be done in 11 turns. Either way, we will have our Temple before we reach Pop size 5. Even if we put the Pop size 4 laborer on the unworked grassland, which is where it should go for growth, the Temple will still be complete before we reach Pop size 5. So, in conclusion, I believe the existing MP's will suffice and the unhappy citizen will rejoice when the Temple opens its doors.

    I do agree that our new city, Inadatto, was slightly misplaced (if that's what you were saying), but we have a long standing history of that. I doubt that will ever be cured. And clowns in Gorina? Are you trying to make us look like Noshuret? :lol: j/k.

    Anyway, good work with Gladiatus (I guess the name will stay) and the vino, too. If I didn't have faith in you, I would not have hired you. Why don't you take the day off and go fishing or something. Cya.

    Cyc
     
  3. Rik Meleet

    Rik Meleet Top predator Retired Moderator

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    Dear Mayor.

    That is not what I meant. My calculations were based on keeping all our laborers where they are, but putting our 4th laborer working the plains with roads near the river.

    I do not specifically judge the loation of Inadatto, I was pointing out that with it's current location the Dyes will not be hooked up soon enough as a means to allow us to benefit from it.

    Rik
     
  4. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    To Rik: Sorry if I've misunderstood you. Enjoying your day off?

    To all: Here's the latest update -

     
  5. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    It seems we have lost our plebians! Do we have to recruit our own in order that roads and mines be built? There's no point in starting a great project in Gorina if the city's lands lay unimproved.

    There are plenty of warriors lolling about. Have one of them added to our garrison and there will be no talk of civil disorder.

    What plans does the city have for the opening of our temple? Shall we sacrifice goats and sheep or a national government official or two?
     
  6. Rik Meleet

    Rik Meleet Top predator Retired Moderator

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    Greetings from sunny Toscana,

    Rik Meleet on a fishing trip.
     
  7. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Nice fishing trip, RM. But tell me, it's been so long. Which way does the Tower of Pisa lean? North? Nice paintings, too. They look so realistic.

    @donsig - You are right about the workers. They seem to have been moved to the eastern front. But we fared pretty well while they were in our area. We've got 4 roads and two mines. Noshuret only has 6 roads and two mines, and they have almost twice the territory as we do. But they have a worker and we don't. About the Wonder...I was against it in the begining, as I thought trying to build one would be a futile attempt. But people keep talking about the Great Library and how important it is, and we are doing so well technologically. So I finally agreed with the Governor when he put it in the build queue. Not to fret though, he's changed his mind again. Now we will build Settlers. First we go left, then we go right, then we move forward, and then we back up. It seems like we really never go anywhere. I think we need to pick a direction and stick with it. It looks like we've decided Settlers are the most important thing today. Unfortunately, that means we've spent all this time going for Literature just so we can build libraries. :rolleyes:

    As far as the opening of the Temple, whenever that will be, just the usual. They'll light some bushes on fire and shake their beads at the sky. And we definitely won't be sacrificing national government officials here in Gorina. :D The smell would be horrendous :lol:
     
  8. disorganizer

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    Maybe if we would sacrifice them and send the remains over to noshuret this would reduce the smell and maxout the fun :)

    But nevertheless, i think we urgently need to settle... so settlers should really be the best idea... anyways, our people WANT to get out of town... so why not let them?

    We need to be careful to not get too many cities build near us though, as we may end up with a huge city and need the space.
    we should insist to the governor and the domestic depeartment to keep a 3 tile space around gorina free of cities ;-)
     
  9. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Nah, dis. As I found out in DG2, torching National figures only drums up so much fun and then it over. I mean once the screaming stops, what are you going to do? Watch 'em burn? I think not. But speaking of revolutionary ideas....

    Does this mean, dis, that you are now a confirmed citizen of Gorina? If so, we're glad to have you. I remember the last time you moved into an area that I governed (DG1). You were kind of revolting then :lol: . But your revolution was an historical event. The first of its kind.

    I have no problem with the current build queue change. I would have liked to have seen the Temple built now, but that would have hindered the success of other cities and given us Iron without burning a Worker. By the way, the Temple could have been done in 12 turns.

    I also agree with you about using the OCP (Optimal City Placement) method with our growth projections. With all the open space we have to utilize, I can't see hindering Gorina's full tile usage. But then again, most cities I'm associated with are targeted for growth stuntage in one form or another. IMHO, all new cities should be kept 5 tiles away from the Gorina city tile until we've exhausted all the other great sites available to us. There's really no need to steal tiles from Gorina when we need to set up a city and surrounding community for the Forbidden Palace. I'll pass the word along, as you wish.
     
  10. disorganizer

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    Well, sire, i think this time i am mooving here in peace, as i already own this place in the rpg :)

    I also think we should try to use as few cities as possible to cover the peninsula with our cultural sphere.... so we wont have a conflict there... but i also think that our city will soon be the biggest in fanatica... and its the best anyways :)
     
  11. donsig

    donsig Low level intermediary

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    Hmmm... work on our temple has stopped? The governor must have read my post about sacrificing leaders there. ;)
     
  12. Rik Meleet

    Rik Meleet Top predator Retired Moderator

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    Oh my God, I've been (sent) on holiday for just 1 day and already the whole city is in a different state than I left it. No temple, talking of Aztecian practise of people burning and no option than to sacrifice workers to get Iron.

    I'm not sure that I, as Minister of Worker Relations of the great city of Gorina, am capable to keep our workers motivated and working if I am sacrificing one of them.

    Mayor: Please accept my temporal resignation for the time someone else informs the workers that 1 will be sacrificed for Iron. When that has been taken care of I will resume my tasks as Minister of Worker Relations of the great city of Gorina, ending the sacrifices and becoming the undisputed leader of the workers.

    Might even be better, when we are adopting this Aztecan custom, to continue Aztecan tradition and steal or buy a foreign worker to "complete this honorable tasks". He'll be a worker-hero (yeah right, sac the fool ! ) ;)

    **** 3 hours and 4 bottles of Vino later ****

    Lord Mayor,
    Don't accept my resignation, I now *hic* really do want to sacrifice a worker. Might be fun to sea *hic*, pardon me *hic* ... err ... see the idiot burn as a sac *hic* rafice to our Gods for Iron. After all, they are dispensable.

    I, err I have a headache, I'm going to vomit and sleep. I'll show you my fish in the morning or afternoon, when I wake up.

    Rik Meleet
    Minister of something of the great city of Garino (or something like that).

    **** Rik Meleet is falling down, with a stench of puke and spilled Vino around him and sleeps instantly ****
     
  13. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    People of Gorina - Here's the lastest update to the Gorina stats. Things have definitely changed since 775bc. After reading snippets of info here and there and checking the save, I would say things have taken a bizzare turn. I mean I attended the Presidential Debates, and those were bizzare, but after a week of following the build queue changes and proposed city locations and our new proposed National priorities, I would have to say that glancing at the 570bc save surpasses those debates. After posting these stats, I'm going to settle down and read the chat log. Maybe that will help.

    BTW, Governor eyrei, I've changes the laborer situation for our city in the picture below. Please make the change in the game also. I believe Gorina should be using the Iron tile for production purposes. Funkytowne can use a forest tile and get the same output. :rolleyes: Please let us use the Iron tile...As you can see, the Temple will be completed in 9 turns, as opposed to the 15 turns in the picture.

     
  14. Isaac_Newton

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    As a new citizen, I think I would enjoy living here, if that's alright with all of you fine fellows. And where can I get some of that vino? :D
     
  15. Panzer

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    Sorry Cyc, I was away for awhile. I decided to move in to Gorina. I plan on moving west in the far future, but until then I will live here.
     
  16. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Welcome Gentlemen. As Mayor of this great city, I extend to you all the benefits we have available here. Isaac Newton and Panzer are now bonifide citizens of Gorina. As previous posts will affirm, ours is a very friendly community and most citizens will be more than happy to help you get acquainted with your new surroundings. If you would like to become part of our local city government, please let us know. Again, welcome.

    Fear not Rik Meleet. As you say, things have changed. The Temple is back, no Workers have (or will) be sacrificed, and all is well in Gorina. In fact, we've sent happy Settler groups out to populate our fine nation in other locations.

    Therefore, I emphatically, systematically, and categorically refuse the resignation earlier presented to me. Welcome back RM. I'm glad to see you found a proper use for that vino! It's good to see you can party as hard as you work.
     
  17. Isaac_Newton

    Isaac_Newton Chieftain

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    Fine mayor, what positions do we have in the governemtn of Gorina? I am interested in taking a job and no longer being a lazy hobo of Gorina (though the the title is appealing).
     
  18. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    Hmmm, tell me Isaac_Newton, what's the difference between a lazy hobo and an active hobo? Oh, never mind. That's a question to be answered over a glass of vino sometime.

    Let's see...what positions are open at this time...hmmm, judging from your namesake maybe head of the Research and Development Department. Something that might allow you to gravitate towards the National Science Department. :) I'm not quite sure what the job responsibilities would be at this time, but I'm thinking maybe you could keep an eye on our beakers. Maybe you could calculate new ways to improve our city in that regard. What do you think?
     
  19. Isaac_Newton

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    That sounds splendid. I have no plan of going to the Science department currently, but it's an idea.. I dutifully and thankfully accept the position of Head of the Research and Development Department of Gorina. My first promise in office is to refrain from physics jokes.;)

    Now, about the difference between a lazy hobo and an active hobo is that the active hobo gets all the glory :D
     
  20. Cyc

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    Excellent Sir Isaac_Newton! We're so glad you were able to join the ranks of the Gorina employees. Welcome aboard. I've updated the first post of this thread to reflect your new position. I've also set up your accont, similiar to Rik Meleet's, and have allocated a cask of vino to you. Enjoy. Also keep in mind that donsig, another Gorina citizen, is one of Fanatica's leading scientists. He may be a good source for scientific discussion. (I am personally aware of his fondness for a glass of vino occasionally, too ;) .)
     

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