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The Great War

Discussion in 'Civ3 - Completed Scenarios' started by Sarevok, Jan 25, 2004.

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What do you think of this scenario?

  1. Its Great! one of the best out there!

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  2. Its a good scenario

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  3. Its ok

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  4. I dont like it

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  1. Sarevok

    Sarevok Civ3 Scenario Creator

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  2. Sarevok

    Sarevok Civ3 Scenario Creator

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  3. Adler17

    Adler17 Prussian Feldmarschall

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    Perhaps we should think to do this for civ 4. Of course depending on the editor.

    Adler
     
  4. Sarevok

    Sarevok Civ3 Scenario Creator

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  5. CellKu

    CellKu Emperor

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    If the Civ4 editor is really as good as promised it should be a valuable tool in the master's hands. :)
    And perhaps we will then get the Russian revolution included...
     
  6. Rocoteh

    Rocoteh Deity

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    CellKu,

    Thank you and welcome back to the thread.

    I agree the Russian revolution should be included.

    I will not rule out there will be a TGW-DIV 1.5, but in such
    a case it will have to wait several months.

    Rocoteh
     
  7. Serutan

    Serutan Eatibus Anythingibus

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    On the assumption the Civ4 editor will allow event scripting,
    I would suggest that the Russian Revolution be contingent on
    Russia doing badly, as it was in reality. It seems to
    me that if Russia is successfully prosecuting the war, that
    having the Revolution occur anyway is kind of silly.

    Or to put it another way, why would a human player want to
    play Russia in this scenario if events predicated on the historical
    collapse of that country's army happen no matter what they
    do?
     
  8. Rocoteh

    Rocoteh Deity

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    Serutan,

    Yes, I think what you say is correct.

    Without the debacle in the war there would probably been
    no revolution.

    Rocoteh
     
  9. Adler17

    Adler17 Prussian Feldmarschall

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    Well one reason for Russia going for war was internal troubles. However when war came Russia was ill prepared. The attack on East Prussia came too early. I mean even if they would have been able to take Königsberg it is highly questionable they would have come much further since the Germans would then have mobilized every force to attack the Russians. Russia in the war was ever on the edge of a revolution. A revolution which only could have been avoided if the Czar gave up more power. But Nicholas II. was unwilling to do so. When he went to war Russia was not ready nor it would become ready ever in ww1. A fast peace with Germany would have been the best, most likely demanding the Austrian retreat out of Serbia when invading Eastern Prussia. This was the only chance. But so Tannenberg was a catastrophy and the first step towards revolution. Remember there were two revolutions! The second only because Kerensky didn´t want to make peace. Russia and the Czar could have escaped out of the catastroyphy by making internal reforms. The lack of these reforms lead into the catastrophy. This was inevitable. The katalysator was only the war. And even a winning Russia would have suspended the revolution for a few years.

    Adler
     
  10. Landmonitor

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    I've never downloaded or played this and I don't want to read 145 pages of posts, but I recently read a book about the huge (negative) impact on German morale when they realized that the English would take prisoners instead of just murdering soldiers who surrendered. This leads to my idea.

    Do you have VP scoring? If you do, you could make late-war infantry that are similar in most respects to whatever came before them except that they can "enslave" POW units that could be disbanded for VP, representing the effect of the realization that surrendereing was an option on the morale of the troops.

    Just a thought. I'd like to try this one, but so many scenarios, so little time!
     
  11. CellKu

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    It's good to hear that you are still thinking about improving TGW. But if you wait several months that means that you are contemplating a Civ4-TGW version, as well, doesn't it?
    Hopefully, the forum members will then be able to quickly respond to the new graphic design and add new Civ4 unit graphics etc.

    Btw, does anyone know a website which provides an intro to python-scripting? I would like to start acquainting myself with it to better understand the possibilities of Civ4.

    And btw, thanks Adler, it's always nice to read your posts on history. :)

    CellKu
     
  12. CellKu

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    Interesting idea that POW thing.

    If you don't have much time to try all scenarios (well, who has...), you should still think about playing this one. It's one of the "must-have-played" scenarios here in the forum. :)

    CellKu
     
  13. Landmonitor

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    Yeah, I'll probably give it a shot later in the summer. Right now I'm caught up in Rise and Rule and Island Conquests. I like mods that still let you go through every era, but WW1 is a war that Civ could really do justice to.

    One question, PLEASE tell me there are St. Chamond tanks in this! I really hope there are! (I'd say the same about A7V, but you MUST have included that one, to not do so would be a travesty, its got such a cool, unimaginative shape!).
     
  14. Sarevok

    Sarevok Civ3 Scenario Creator

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    They thought a succesful war would unite the nation.
     
  15. Rocoteh

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    Adler,

    In fact the Russian revolution is one my favourite subjects in history.
    I do not agree with all that you say, but I do not intend to start a debate
    over it.

    I wish to state this though:

    All scenarios of this type are "what-if" scenarios. Thus I want to
    avoid "locking" of certan issues such as there must be a Russian
    revolution.

    Assume for example that a new Stolypin appears late 1914.
    (Stolypin was the only man that could have saved the Czar-regime.
    He was murdered 1911.)
    That would for sure have had great impact on history!

    Rocoteh
     
  16. Rocoteh

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    CellKu,

    Its possible that the best solution will be to wait for the release
    of CIV 4. Time will tell.

    On python-scripting: I hope you will find time to learn it.
    My guess is that it will be of incredible value once CIV 4 have
    been released!

    Rocoteh
     
  17. Adler17

    Adler17 Prussian Feldmarschall

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    Czar Nicholas II. was the problem. Of course if he managed it to delegate power to the Duma a revolution was much more unlikely. But he was the main problem. A revolution was under his form of reign too likely. Inevitable, well 100% inevitable is nothing but in this case, if you consider there were already revolts, veeeerrrryyy likely. The only man who had influence on the Czar to give up power was a guy called Rasputin. And he was obviously no Stolypin. Then the catastrophy of the war and the revolutions came.

    Adler
     
  18. Adler17

    Adler17 Prussian Feldmarschall

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    Oh, in a civ2 scenario I played long ago Russia got the communism technology in 1917 or after the fall of Riga. So the revolution was simulated, however it was not the best way indeed.

    Adler
     
  19. Sarevok

    Sarevok Civ3 Scenario Creator

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    BUG REPORT: The Austrian capital of Wien has no buildings in it, nothing.
     

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