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The Greatest City: Voting

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Rhye's and Fall of Civilization' started by Llama231, Aug 30, 2010.

  1. Llama231

    Llama231 Warlord

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    This thread is to host the poll for the "greatest" city in RFC BTS [newest/last version]. If anyone cares to question the purpose of this poll, it is to discover the best cities for OCCs and giga-empires, allow for some reasonable debate, and provide a sort of entertainment just for the heck of it, and discuss RFC in general, much like any other thread posted in forums.

    Rules and Processes
    Everyone gets 10 votes that they can use, but may not use multiple for the same city. (Basically your top 10.)
    Cities are sorted by how many votes they have attained, and results will be posted by me throughout the thread by updates.
    Changing votes is allowed.
    After voting has stagnated, the top cities will be taken to finals, which may or may not be in this thread, depending on how things go.
    Cities may be added, though this is not too encouraged due to difficulty with editing the OP.
    Please ask about cities that you do not know the location of. Even the most cryptic city deserves consideration.
    You may attempt to persuade others to vote in favor of your opinions--or even have them change their votes--through polite debate, as with any other thread. (For example, posting why you picked certain cities in your votes.)
    Coastal cities are assumed to have the Maoi Statues and Colossus, even though the water tiles will still not be very good.

    Things to take into Consideration
    Number of workable tiles.
    Coast or not, though less is better.
    Rivers+Levee=Win
    Common sense is always good too.
    Strategic resources that can be reached by culture, as if there were no other cities to do so.
    Resources and terrain changes that take place over time, especially the colonial ones.
    NOT proximity to and synergy with other cities, this is stand-alone cities only.
    NOT the civilization using it, it does not matter.
    NOT the time period, this is for the best cities of all times, though later is more important.
    Alphabetical order is nice. :)

    North America (13)
    Spoiler :
    Chicago
    Chicago (Between the Corns)
    Denver (Oil)
    Denver (Hill)
    Grand Forks
    Milwaukee
    New York
    Oklahoma
    Philedelphia
    Sioux Falls
    Tlaxcala
    Washington
    Wichita


    South America (7)
    Spoiler :
    Belém/France Equinoxiale/Fort Zeelandia (Amazon Delta)
    Buenos Aires
    Caracas
    Montevideo/River Plates
    [1W of Montevideo]
    Recife/Mauritsstad
    Rio de Janeiro


    Europe (30)
    Spoiler :
    Amiens/Samarobriva
    Arretium [1 north of Rome]
    Athens
    Budapest
    Caricyn/ Stalingrad (2 north of sheep)
    Constantinople/Byzantion/Istanbul
    Copenhagen/Kopenhagen
    Danzig
    Dublin
    Dyrrachium/Durres
    Frankfurt/Maize/Suttgart
    Frankfurt (1 North)
    Frederikstad/Kiel
    Geneve (2N of Marseilles)
    Kiev/Kyiv (2N of Iron)
    Korinthos (SW of Athenai, on marble)
    Limerick
    Lisbonne/Lisboa/Lisbon
    London
    Lulea
    Nottingham
    Novosibirsk
    Pampalona
    Ponta Deglada
    Riga
    Rjazan/Ryazan [1 south of Moscow]
    Rome
    Zagreb
    Southampton
    Voronezh


    Asia (26)
    Spoiler :
    Anomen
    Akkad (1 N of Babylon)
    Assur (1 NE of Babylon)
    Babylon/Babilu/Bagdad/Bagdat
    Bangkok
    Beijing
    Beijing (1 East)
    Chennai
    Chojbalsan (on the desert hill 2 E of Ulaan-Ude)
    Delhi
    Hanoi
    Hiroshima
    Karakorum
    Konya
    Nancheng (1 west of the marble)
    Pyongyang (1N of Hancheng, on pig)
    Samarkand/Afrosaib
    Seoul/Hancheng/Hanseong/Keijou
    Seoul (On the deer)
    Sirajis (1 north of elephant/1 south of Parsa)
    Shanghai
    Susa/Sushan/Sush
    [1 south of Susa]
    Tokyo/Edo
    Ulan Ude
    Wuhan


    Australia/Indonesia/Oceania/Africa (8)
    Spoiler :
    Adelaide/Terre Napoléon
    Al-Karijah/Luxor
    Durban/Sofala/Winburg
    Jayakarta
    Manila
    Port Nolloth
    Singapura/Singapore
    Sydney

    (84 Cities)


    I will use my votes as an example, though I will likely change them at some point. I do not quite have enough time to explain them now, so I will likely later.

    Amiens/Samarobriva (1 NE of Paris)
    Arretium (1N of Rome)
    Chicago
    Nancheng (1W of Marble)
    Rjazan (1S of Moscow)
    Seoul (On the Deer)
    Tokyo/Edo
    Wichita (NA Goody Hut)
    Wuhan
    Zagreb (1S of Budapest)
     
  2. Jarlaxe Baenre

    Jarlaxe Baenre Emperor

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    Frankfurt (1 North of the 600 AD Frankfurt)
    Budapest (1 South of the deer)
    Nanchang (1 West of the Marble, although apparently in newer versions it is called Nancheng...)
    Seoul (On the deer)
    Tlaxcala (1 North of the river, 1 NE of Tenochtitlan)
    Danzig
    Washington
    Zagreb
    Beijing
    Denver (Oil)
    I listed them in order of what ones I like more, so if there is a tie between ones I have chosen, choose the higher-up ones
    I HAVE EDITED THIS. UPDATE POLL RESULTS
     
  3. nody

    nody Emperor

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    Uhhh, Sydney and Adelaide/Terre Napoléon are on very different tiles. Sydney is East near the crab and Adelaide is south near the uranium and silver. They both have 1 sheep in their BFC (the only 2 Australian sheep that appear in 1850).

    Strangely almost all tiles in Southeast Australia are called Nieuw Holland for the Dutch. Southeast Australia isn't within the Dutch green zone, so Dutch cities in that area are rare.

    So, to avoid confusion let's make it:

    Sydney and Adelaide/Terre Napoléon


    Also, on another note: You can't assume any coastal city in the Americas (except maybe for Maya) to have the Collosus and the Maoi Statues.
     
  4. Llama231

    Llama231 Warlord

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    Luckily, I can still edit the OP, so yeah.

    As for the wonders in America: Unless you WB one there. ;) Actually, assuming the 3000BC start, any location on the planet could have the wonders if you get Astronomy first, get a goody hut settler with a caravel, or the Maya just settle anywhere. But this is the location we are looking for mostly. Never mind, the Colossus is obsolete with with Astronomy, so it can only be gotten by the latter two ways.

    Here are the votes, though we could use some more:

    1 Vote
    Spoiler :
    Amiens/Samarobriva (1 NE of Paris)
    Arretium (1N of Rome)
    Constantinople/Byzantium/Istanbul
    Beijing
    Belem
    [1N of Buenos Aires]
    Danzig
    Denver (Oil)
    Frankfurt (1N of 600AD One)
    Kiev (2N of Iron)
    Limerick
    Nancheng (1W of Marble)
    Philidelphia
    Rjazan (1S of Moscow)
    Tlaxcala (1NE Tenochitlan)
    Tokyo/Edo
    Washington
    Wichita (NA Goody Hut)


    2 Votes
    Spoiler :
    Budapest (1S of Deer)
    Chicago and Chicago between Corns
    Nanch(a/e)ng (1W of Marble)
    Seoul (On the Deer)
    Wuhan
    Zagreb (1S of Budapest)
     
  5. Jusos2108

    Jusos2108 Deity

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    Okey my votes: Belem, Budapest (1S of deer), 1N of Buenos Aires (on the corn), Chennai, Chicago (between the corns), Denver (oil), Istanbul, Kiev (2N of Iron), Philadelphia and Wuhan.
     
  6. Llama231

    Llama231 Warlord

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    Many of your cities are slightly off of the location of nominated cities, and may confuse some people, so I am considering them the same for now, unless someone has a problem with that.

    (The previous post has the updates.)
     
  7. Jusos2108

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    The Kiev I mentioned is by far better than the other Kiev (1S), so I would consider that as the real Kiev for this poll. Buenos Aires (it actually has another name) on the corn is the best city around that area. There are two great Chicagos, the one I mentioned and the one 1SE from it. Mine grows really big and the other has better production, so I would separate them. I believe the others are in order.
     
  8. Magnificent One

    Magnificent One Stetsons are cool.

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    Dyrrachium/Durres/Epidamnos (its SE of the copper, on the hill in case you're confused.)
    London
    Konya
    Moscow
    Berlin
    Kyouto
    Frankfurt
    Rome
    Constantinople/Istanbul
    Paris

    I could think of alot more.But these are my votes.
     
  9. nody

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    My votes:

    - Frankfurt 1 north
    - Lulea
    - Rome
    - Korinthos
    - Chojbalsan
    - Wuhan
    - Adelaide
    - Sofala (1 NE of gold)
    - Chicago (1 W of iron)
    - Recife/Mauritsstad
     
  10. TimeShifter

    TimeShifter Chieftain

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    Location:
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    - Tokyo
    - Constantinople
    - Chicago (1W of iron)
    - Denver (oil)
    - Paris
    - Rome
    - Seoul (deer)
    - Budapest (1S of deer)
    - Kiev (2N of iron)
    - Frankfurt (1N of 600ad)
     
  11. AnotherPacifist

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    Denver. Nuff said.
     
  12. AnotherPacifist

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    Actually, not quite. You're asking the wrong question. The right one is: which cities are the greatest for the era that they flourished in? I.e. for the amount of technology you have, which cities have tiles that, when worked, give you the most production? Denver would be useless early on (lack of growth resources and can't work hills effectively without growth).

    Ancient: Siwa, Beijing, 1S of Shush(on the coast), Lahore
    Classical: Corinthos, Beijing, Kyoto, Rome OR Mediolanum but not both
    Medieval and Renaissance: some of the cities on your list but you forgot about Tlaxcala (2N of Tenochtitlan, i.e. not on the coast)
    Modern: Budapest, Kiev, Ryazan, 1N Frankfurt, Chicago, Denver, Hanoi--note that these all have rivers for levees, plenty of hills and plains.

    That is why Timbuktu is a sad mismatch--lots of floodplains but no production--would have been great in the Ancient era if it had a stone or marble on a floodplain.
     
  13. nody

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    I totally agree. Mali deserves a stone on one of the tiles around Timbuktu.

    They even may start with Paper, because I would like to see the University of Sankore actually build in Timbuktu for once. With help from the stone.
    Maybe give them Paper and Calendar instead of Divine Right wouldn't change the balance too much?
     
  14. Llama231

    Llama231 Warlord

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    @Jarlaxe Baenre: I got you changes.
    @Jusos2108: I corrected the cities.
    @Magnificent One: Are you sure about all of those? Some of them, specifically as Rome, Paris, Moscow and Frankfurt have cities that are generally considered much better nearby. (Arettium, Amiens, Rjazan, and Frankfurt 1N receptively.)
    @nody: Where is Chojbalsan again?
    @AnotherPacifist: It seems that the thread has developed to focus on the modern cities specifically, so I will count you 7 noted ones as your votes for now.

    And as for the votes...

    1 Vote
    Spoiler :
    Adelaide
    Amiens/Samarobriva (1 NE of Paris)
    Amiens/Samarobriva (1 NE of Paris)
    Arretium (1N of Rome)
    Belem (Amazon River Delta)
    Berlin
    1N of Buenos Aires (on the corn)
    Chennai
    Chicago (between the corns)
    Chojbalsan
    Danzig
    Dyrrachium/Durres/Epidamnos (1SE of the copper north of Greece)
    Frankfurt
    Hanoi
    Korinthos (1SW of Athens, on the marble)
    Kyouto
    London
    Lulea
    Moscow
    Philedelphia
    Recife/Mauritsstad
    Sofala (1 NE of gold in South Africa)
    Tlaxcala (1 North of the river, 1 NE of Tenochtitlan)
    Wichita (NA Goody Hut)
    Washington
    Zagreb


    2 Votes
    Spoiler :
    Beijing
    Nanch(e/a)ng (1W of Marble)
    Paris
    Rjazan/Ryazan (1S of Moscow)
    Tokyo/Edo
    Zagreb (1S of Budapest)


    3 Votes
    Spoiler :
    Budapest (1S of the deer)
    Constantinople/Istanbul/Byzantium
    Kiev (2N of Iron)
    Rome
    Seoul (On the Deer)
    Wuhan


    4 Votes
    Spoiler :
    Frankfurt (1N)
    Chicago (1W of the iron)
    Denver (Oil)



    It seems that the American supercities of Chicago and Denver are winning! :cool: And apparently Frankfurt (1N) too. Next time I play France and Raise Frankfurt to settle a city later, I am trying this out instead.
     
  15. nody

    nody Emperor

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    Chojbalsan is on the desert hill 2 tiles east of Ulaan-Ude.


    2 north (on the hill) of Tenochtitlan is called Tuitan, just like 3 north.

    The Tlaxcala on this list is 1 NE of Tenochtitlan (between the corns) on the coast.
     
  16. youtien

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    [1W of Montevideo]
    Denver (Oil)
    Chicago
    Rome
    Beijing (1 East)
    Hanoi
    Pyongyang (1N of Hancheng, on pig)
    Durban/Sofala/Winburg
    Lulea
    Philedelphia
     
  17. Magnificent One

    Magnificent One Stetsons are cool.

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    I am happy with my choices.Apart from Paris,change that to Lisbon.
     
  18. Jarlaxe Baenre

    Jarlaxe Baenre Emperor

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    Magnificent One, Frankfurt is not as good as Frankfurt 1 north. It loses the mountains.
     
  19. Wessel V1

    Wessel V1 Emperor

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    And Danzig >> Berlin.
     
  20. Magnificent One

    Magnificent One Stetsons are cool.

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    I thought the Frankfurt was the Frankfurt 1N.And i've neve rliked Danzig.

    I re-vote
    Dyrrachium/Durres/Epidamnos (its SE of the copper, on the hill in case you're confused.)
    London
    Konya
    Moscow
    Berlin
    Kyouto
    Frankfurt 1N
    Rome
    Constantinople/Istanbul
    Lisbon
     

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