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Should India stay the blob it already is or should it be divided?
I suggest we divide India into…
1. Mayura
2. Mughals
3. Virajayanga (I can’t spell it) or Chola
4. Bengal
5. Gupta
6. Sikh
 
Maurya


Vijayanagara


Punjab. Sikhism is a religion; regional or ethnical identifiers are better than religious ones because religions (including Sikhism) already exist in the game. Would be weird to have a Confucian Sikh Empire and a Sikh Polish Empire
Thanks! I‘ll just call Vijayangara “Vij” for an abbreviation. Also, thank you for suggesting Punjab! I was wanting a Sikh empire without it being a Sikh Empire.
 
I feel that with only fifty (Civ VI) or sixty civs (A reasonable increase), dedicating six of them to India is likely to result in lots of areas going unrepresented. Three is more my ideal number, maybe four.
 
I feel that with only fifty (Civ VI) or sixty civs (A reasonable increase), dedicating six of them to India is likely to result in lots of areas going unrepresented. Three is more my ideal number, maybe four.
Oh. I was thinking too much then. It’s ok to leave out a couple of the Civs I listed, as long as India has enough.
 
I wouldn't mind India staying as India, personally, as long as they continue to use the alternate leader's mechanic.
Still I've said before that I believe that the Mughals could also coexist as a separate civ from India too.
Ideally, I'd have the Mughal Empire and an India civ under Ashoka, and yes even Gandhi.
If India is split up I wouldn't want more than 2 or 3 civs. I could live with the Chola after a Maurya and Mughal civ.
 
If we manage to get 60 civs or more, then India should be divided into three civs: modern India, Mughals and Maurya. However, if we obtain less than 60 civs, we should give India the same treatment as China, in which it obtained leaders from several different dynasties and historical periods.
 
If we can have some modern civs, I don't see the problem in also having modern India since it's pretty important nowadays. Furthermore, I don't think Gandhi would be simply excluded from the game.
The thing is I don't think we'd have a separate Maurya, Chola civ etc. as well as a civ called India, based off of the modern country. What uniques would you give a modern India civ lead by Gandhi? All I can think of is a Sepoy unique unit. :shifty:
I think keeping Gandhi as a mainstay would still keep the idea of an "Indian" blob civ with attributes throughout it's history.
 
What uniques would you give a modern India civ lead by Gandhi?
I think about something related to multiculturalism and religious diversity. And Gandhi would have pacifist bonuses. Mughals would be builders, economical and perhaps with some agrarian touches. While Maurya would mainly revolve around religion.

But if India got the same treatment as China, having multiple leaders, I'd be fine with that. I don't remember India having any Mughal leader recently. All we have is Gandhi and some Maurya leader appearing sometimes. This is a little frustrating.
 
I think about something related to multiculturalism and religious diversity. And Gandhi would have pacifist bonuses.
I was thinking more along the lines of unique units or unique infrastructure, considering religious diversity and pacifist gameplay is already prevalent in their Civ 6 design.
I think a Maurya civ could portray that just as well, or better. That could open up the possibility of a Chola civ.
But if India got the same treatment as China, having multiple leaders, I'd be fine with that. I don't remember India having any Mughal leader recently. All we have is Gandhi and some Maurya leader appearing sometimes. This is a little frustrating.
I don't believe they've had a leader outside of modern India or the Mauryan Empire. The only references to the Mughals were in the unique infrastructure.
 
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I've drawn up a way India can be divided into more civilizations:

Punjab (represents the Punjabi people and the Sikh Empire; possible leaders: Ranjit Singh, Sada Kaur)

Hindustan (represents the Indo-Persian synthetic high culture of Northern India and the Islamic Sultanates in the region including the Tughlaq, the Mamluks and the Mughal Empire; possible leaders: Sher Shah Suri, Razia Sultana, Muhammad ibn Tughluq, Akbar)

Bengal (represents the Bengali and Bamgaldeshi people and the various Buddhist, Hindu and Islamic states in the region; possible leaders: Shashanka, Devapala, Ram Mohan Roy)

Deccan (represents the Islamic states in the region including the Bahmanids and their breakup states including @Henri Christophe's beloved Ahmadnagar Sultanate among others; possible leaders: Ahmad Shah I Wali, Chand Bibi, Malik Ambar, Ali Barid Shah I, Ibrahim Adil Shah II)

Maurya (represents the Maurya Empire; possible leaders: Ashoka, Chandragupta I)

Tamil (represents the Tamil people and the four Tamil dynasties the Chola, Chera, Pandya, Pallava; possible leaders: Rajendra I, Karikala)

Kannada (represents the Kannada people and the Vijayanagara, Chalukya, Rashtrakuta and Hoysala empires; possible leaders: Krishnadevaraya, Veera Ballala II, Vikramaditya VI)

Telugu (represents the Telugu people and the Kakatiya and Nayak states; possible leader: Gautamiputra Satakarni)
 
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If we manage to get 60 civs or more, then India should be divided into three civs: modern India, Mughals and Maurya. However, if we obtain less than 60 civs, we should give India the same treatment as China, in which it obtained leaders from several different dynasties and historical periods.
India was never as centralised as China: the closest thing to modern India in terms of expanse and authority of a single state was the Maurya Empire. Keeping India as one civilization is like having Germania (including Germany, Bohemia, Netherlands, England, Sweden) as one civilization
 
And I rly want to see Ahmednagar sultanate!
Mostly because it's leader Malik Ambar who have an amazing saga of being a captive from Ethiopia who raise in the power untill control a sultanate.
Wasn't he not actually the ruler? Still the Ahmednager Sultanate shouldn't be considered even before the other Muslim sultanates, such as the Mughals or the Delhi Sultanate, in my opinion.
That's like having the Qing Empire and a Chinese civ under Qin Shi Huangdi and Mao Zedong
Would it? I mean I'd personally at least want Ashoka, and I figured Gandhi would eventually get in but I could still live without him.
I consider it more similar to what they did with the Macedon and Greece split.
 
He was? Malik Ambar ruled over Ahmadnagar after the death of the king's wife Chand Bibi
Never mind, I'm mixing stuff up, but Malik Ambar was vizier of the Sultanate, I have a headache and can't go into this more, can't think straight, but Malik Ambar makes more sense as a Great General to me, but if you must have him as a leader better as the leader of a Deccan blob than just the small state of Ahmadnagar
 
Would it? I mean I'd personally at least want Ashoka, and I figured Gandhi would eventually get in but I could still live without him.
I consider it more similar to what they did with the Macedon and Greece split
It would. Besides, having Ashoka and Gandhi be part of one civilization and the Mughals part of another inadvertently plays into the narrative of right-wing Indian nationalists who say that Mughals were non-Indian invaders (which is true to some degree, but it is also true that the Mughals weren't simply plunderers like the Ghaznavids and Ghurids, they did semi-assimilate into Indian culture, history is never neat) and by extension demonise Indian Muslims for being non-Indian outsiders who need to be forcibly converted back to Hinduism (see the concept of ghar-wapsi) or expelled from India, effectively calling for genocide
 
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