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The inhumane conditions of Bradley Manning's detention

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by nikosison, Dec 15, 2010.

  1. MobBoss

    MobBoss Off-Topic Overlord

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    It's 'a' justification...not the sole one. Come on guys.

    Its been established that he is not being tortured.

    However.

    I think its disturbing that the current trend of thought by some apparently think simply being in prison the equal to torture.
     
  2. kosiosko 1

    kosiosko 1 King

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    would you accept that its at least equal to punishment, before being found guilty
     
  3. JollyRoger

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    I agree. It's not like he is having to shower with gays.
     
  4. MobBoss

    MobBoss Off-Topic Overlord

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    Sure. Which is why he gets credit for it as 'time served'....
     
  5. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

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    So that will lower the sentence he has to serve if he is found not guilty?
     
  6. MobBoss

    MobBoss Off-Topic Overlord

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    Nope. AFAIK, he is still getting his military pay and allowances. So, in essence, his duty location is in that cell, and will remain so until he is either found not guilty or otherwise.
     
  7. JollyRoger

    JollyRoger Slippin' Jimmy Supporter

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    Why are we wasting taxpayer money paying this guy to do nothing? This kind of nonsense can only happen in a government-run program.
     
  8. MobBoss

    MobBoss Off-Topic Overlord

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    Because thats the rules.
     
  9. JollyRoger

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    It's not much of one unless you know something about the weakness of military prison security that the rest of us don't.
    Typical of a governmnet run program. Private prisons at least try to get an honest day's work out of their prisoners.
     
  10. Ajidica

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    I'm curious, how would the defense attempt to defend Manning?
    I understand he is innocent right now, but given the preponderance of evidence regarding his culpability, it seems unlikely at best he will be found innocent.
     
  11. JollyRoger

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    Without knowing the details of the charges, my guess is that you perhaps try to plea bargain. Or you plead guilty at the guilt phase of the proceeding and work for mitigation at the punishment stage, thus depriving the prosecution of some punches that are more effective in the guilt stage than the punishment stage.

    The birther Lakin (who refused to deploy because he hadn't seen Obama's long-form birth certificate), once he got a decent attorney, attempted something like this. There were two counts against him. He plead guilty to 3 sub-parts of the first charge and got the 4th sub-part dropped. He then went to trial on the 2nd charge where he had a technical argument that gave him a shot at getting a not guilty.

    He lost on that charge and then they moved to the punishment stage (on the guilty plea count and the found guilty count) where he didn't end up with as much prison time as he could have. If he had stuck with his original attorney and insisted on focusing on winning at the guilt stage on both counts, he likely would have ended up with a worse result.
     
  12. civ_king

    civ_king Deus Caritas Est

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    Espionage against the United States of America
     
  13. Berzerker

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    long term solitary confinement is torture

    who said being in prison is torture?
     
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    is this guy potentialy facing the death penalty, btw?
     
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    It's a justification for putting him in prison, not in solitary. Hence why I picked you up on it.
     
  17. Formaldehyde

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    No, it's just been "established" by you and other ultraconservatives that is it not torture. Obviously, others have "established" it is.

    What I think is "disturbing" is the continual use of such absurd strawmen instead of addressing the issues. Or can you provide evidence of even one person in this thread who has claimed that being incarcerated is "equal to torture"?
     
  18. bhsup

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    Wait, I thought this was about the guy who leaked the stuff. Who are you talking about that the US is torturing? Do we need a new thread for this other person?
     
  19. Ajidica

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    At the very least, solitary confinement isn't good for the individual psychologicaly. Putting an innocent person in conditions that are known to be harmful to mental health is at least morally dubious.
    Link:
    http://law.wustl.edu/journal/22/p325grassian.pdf
     
  20. MobBoss

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    This isnt really solitary confinement on that level. He gets visitors. He watches tv. He even has a pillow and bedsheets. Give it up.
     

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